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re: Phil Steele on Rusillo talks up LSU
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:34 pm to dukke v
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:34 pm to dukke v
You can't speak to them about facts. MSU is an after thought despite having the best QB in the SEC who ripped us a new a-hole last year and is on the road in the second game of the season. It takes awhile for team chemistry to come around and while this might also apply to MSU, they also have a proven PCer behind Center where that Senior leadership typically helps a team gel together faster...
MSU is going to be tough. That's brutal early season 2 game stretch for LSU and could make or break the season. As I said earlier, I could see them gaining a ton of confidence if they plow through those 2 games to maybe going to 8-0. Losing them both would be disastrous and hard to recover.
I'm surprised Dak even came back his Senior year. Typically MSU is an easy win but they're not going to be simply because it's on the road and they have him behind C this year. He'll make that entire offense better.
MSU is going to be tough. That's brutal early season 2 game stretch for LSU and could make or break the season. As I said earlier, I could see them gaining a ton of confidence if they plow through those 2 games to maybe going to 8-0. Losing them both would be disastrous and hard to recover.
I'm surprised Dak even came back his Senior year. Typically MSU is an easy win but they're not going to be simply because it's on the road and they have him behind C this year. He'll make that entire offense better.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 5:37 pm
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:36 pm to Datbayoubengal
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LSU's offense is WAAAY better though compared to what we brought back in 2011.
I disagree totally... We had a lot more experience coming back in 2011 compared to this year... There are a ton of sophs on the offense that we don't know how good they really are [skill players] because of the qb play last year... IMO I don't see AJ improving... Harris is the way to go... Even if we lose to MSU and AU, experience for Harris is the key to the rest of this year and THEN Next ear will and should be the preseason #1... I would say that NEXT YEAR will look more like 2011 than this year.....
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:39 pm to dukke v
What people forget about LSU's offense in 2011 is it was one of the most efficient in the country. Saying this offense already is way better than 2011 is definitely again, hyperbole. I also remember that year was Beckham's first year at WR and he was excellent day 1 as a freshman WR. We had Landry too but I don't remember him being a huge contributing factor except on STs?
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:50 pm to dukke v
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Ok. But they have a starting 5 of 4 jr's and one senior... They have been in the program long enough to be effective.
If you know anything about offensive play, you would know that it takes a level of continuity for all 5 to play in in sync together. What you are overlooking is the fact this usually takes several games to occur. Their line play may be ok by the end of the season but I don't envision this unit being a strong point early on. There's also the experience factor you have chosen to ignore. Upperclassman doesn't automatically equal tons of on field experience.
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three of their top four rushers are back, their top two wr's
Outside of Josh Robinson, none of their other backs were anything special. Also, outside of De'Runnya Wilson, none of their returning receivers are anything special.
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They have not lost as much as most are saying... Losing starters makes a difference but with a ton of upperclassman coming back they are still dangerous........
Once again, upperclassmen doesn't automatically equate to loads of game experience. State had that going into last. They do not heading into this season.
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This will NOT be an easy game for the Tigers
Tigers win by double digits.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:51 pm to deuce985
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:58 pm to deuce985
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Pretty stupid to say we're as loaded as we were in 2011
CB1 - Mathieu is clearly better than whomever gets the spot (Paris)
CB2 - even between Mo and Tre (don't argue. You'll just look stupid in two years)
S1 - even between Reid and Adams
S2 - edge to Mills over Taylor
LB1 - even Louis and Baker (lot's of ijits don't realize how good Louis is)
MLB - edge to Beckwith over a very good Minter
LB2 - solid advantage for Debo over Hatcher
DT1 - Brockers is a huge advantage over a solid Lacouture
DT2 - Logan and Godchaux are about even
DE1 - Bower and Sam are even ( most overrate Sam, and almost everyone is underrating Bower)
DE 2 - Mingo has a huge advantage over whomever we start
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:24 pm to lsutiger2010
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:27 pm to BigBrod81
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BigBrod81
Ok. From what you are saying is that they might as well not even play the game ... Just give the win to LSU...... You are pathetic.......
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:33 pm to deuce985
How about we all wait until the season starts to decide who is a star, who is ok, and who sucks or overrated.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:40 pm to dukke v
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You are pathetic.......
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:55 pm to dboyback
Les doesn't pay attention to boards, potential recruits want to go to a positive program that's. Where the sunshine pumpers come in!
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:04 pm to chadr07
Agreed totally! Play the damn season already 
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:08 pm to BigEdLSU
I second this! I can't wait to see this defense, I think it's going to be something special! If we half way get some qb play we could have a very special season. Too much talent on both sides of the ball, to do anything but win!! 
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:25 pm to BigBrod81
To Deuce and Peej point the State's OL and that game. I agree. LSU has 3 OL starters back none of which played the same position last year as projected this year, at least based on the spring. LSU guys just magically have chemistry and State's cannot. OK. Also I don't think the DL will be as good as 2011. LSU rotated 12, yes 12 DL that year.
Having said that, I think both might be underrating LSU. The last time Phil Steele had LSU underrated like this was in 2003, again coming off an 8-5 season. PS is not perfect but nobody predicts games at his clip or works harder for his info.
I also agree that 2016 looks to be the year, just like 2012 did going into 2011. I think the defense will be at least top 20 this year. On offense the OL will improve when the chemistry develops and will not be bad from the get go...everyone has been in the zone scheme for a year which will facilitate this. The RBs will be fine and I think outstanding. I also don't believe lack of quality RBs has been LSUs problems for many years and this group is better than most. The TEs and FBs will do well in their roles.
I think the end result will be determined by the development of the QBs and WRs. If they play well, getting off the line, running the correct routes and making clutch catches and going through at least two and perhaps three progressions before the panic sets in then look out for this team. I think the WRs will do this so it is up to Harris in my opinion.
Having said that, I think both might be underrating LSU. The last time Phil Steele had LSU underrated like this was in 2003, again coming off an 8-5 season. PS is not perfect but nobody predicts games at his clip or works harder for his info.
I also agree that 2016 looks to be the year, just like 2012 did going into 2011. I think the defense will be at least top 20 this year. On offense the OL will improve when the chemistry develops and will not be bad from the get go...everyone has been in the zone scheme for a year which will facilitate this. The RBs will be fine and I think outstanding. I also don't believe lack of quality RBs has been LSUs problems for many years and this group is better than most. The TEs and FBs will do well in their roles.
I think the end result will be determined by the development of the QBs and WRs. If they play well, getting off the line, running the correct routes and making clutch catches and going through at least two and perhaps three progressions before the panic sets in then look out for this team. I think the WRs will do this so it is up to Harris in my opinion.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:33 pm to deuce985
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Going to take Coach O a awhile to get these guys playing up to the DL-U tagline. I have confidence he'll do it just not this year.
That's laughable! O is the best D Line coach in the game. He will have this D line ready to go from the first snap of the first game bro. I can promise you that!
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:35 pm to Lakeboy7
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Please please please, we have suffered enough.
you just say that because all your boyfriends tell you that.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:37 pm to deuce985
The entire defensive line was amazing. You arguably had 3 1st rounders(Sam would've been if he didn't mess up before draft) on it with a 2nd round pick in Logan. Brockers couldn't be moved, Logan was the lost hero in that line, Sam was dominant and Mingo was the pass rush specialist. Even a reserve in Edwards was drafted in the 5th. The comparison isn't even close. Who outside Godchaux has shown you they can be this defensive line? Don't say someone who played 1 game with sparing snaps on a creampuff team who got 3 sacks when the offensive line booked it in. The defensive line will have a ton of inexperience going into it this year. We rotated a ton of guys in 2010 to know what we were getting in 2011, while in comparison last year we rarely rotated due to no trust in the younger lineman.
You are killing me dude. You didn't know ANY of this shite prior to 2011, so stop lying your arse off. What we had was Adams as the starting DE in 2010, with the other starting DE being Edwards after Montgomery's injury. Mingo was a pass rush specialist/backup with all of 5.5 TFL and 2.5 sacks. For comparison, Freak did better than that as a backup DT (10 TFL, 3.0 sacks). Brockers did pretty much nothing prior to his 2011 one and only starting season. Mingo had 2.5 sacks which is the equivalent to Teuhema's 2 sacks. Pep Levingston was the starter at DT in 2010 not Logan. Logan played a total of 3 games in 2010.
We didn't lose any players last year of the caliber of the ones we lost in 2010.
Right now we have guys like Godchaux who could blow up, Bain, Bower, Beckwith, Debo, Toliver, Jackson, Jefferson, Paris, and White. LaCouture could become a stonewall giant as well. Arden Key or Teuhema could even be very good pass rush specialists.
You are killing me dude. You didn't know ANY of this shite prior to 2011, so stop lying your arse off. What we had was Adams as the starting DE in 2010, with the other starting DE being Edwards after Montgomery's injury. Mingo was a pass rush specialist/backup with all of 5.5 TFL and 2.5 sacks. For comparison, Freak did better than that as a backup DT (10 TFL, 3.0 sacks). Brockers did pretty much nothing prior to his 2011 one and only starting season. Mingo had 2.5 sacks which is the equivalent to Teuhema's 2 sacks. Pep Levingston was the starter at DT in 2010 not Logan. Logan played a total of 3 games in 2010.
We didn't lose any players last year of the caliber of the ones we lost in 2010.
Right now we have guys like Godchaux who could blow up, Bain, Bower, Beckwith, Debo, Toliver, Jackson, Jefferson, Paris, and White. LaCouture could become a stonewall giant as well. Arden Key or Teuhema could even be very good pass rush specialists.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:45 pm to Howyouluhdat
MLB play will be much improved allowing the D line to cut loose. This D will be much better than anticipated
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:52 pm to deuce985
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LSU's defense was rated highly last year in the SEC because it was a down year for SEC defenses.
No
LSU D 2010
Total - 307.2 ypg
Scoring - 18.2 ppg
Pass - 169.8 ypg
Rush - 137.31 ypg
LSU D 2014
Total - 316.8 ypg
Scoring - 17.5 ppg
Pass - 164.2 ypg (considering there is WAAAY more passing now in the SEC and CFB in gensral than 2010, this is huge)
Rush - 152.69 ypg (worst since the 90s but most of that was in the first 6 games)
There is very little difference outside of things like sacks and turnovers (2010 kills 2014), but you never know what a new year and coaching staff will bring.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 7:59 pm to dukke v
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I disagree totally... We had a lot more experience coming back in 2011 compared to this year...
What the hell are you talking about?
We bring back 3 starters on the OL, the starting RB, every single WR, the starting TE, and the top 2 QBs that got play time.
The only experience 2011 had before the season that was more than 2015, was the QBs, and even then both of them sucked in 2010 as well. And as far as talent goes, you've got to be shitting me if you think the 2011 team started with more talent, and better experienced talent than the 2015 team will have.
You and Deuce are smoking the strongest shite in town.
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