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re: Phil Steele on Rusillo talks up LSU
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:35 pm to BigEdLSU
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:35 pm to BigEdLSU
Maybe Coach O can light a fire under the arse of our dline because outside Godchaux past few years, we've really been missing on dline prospects. If our dline plays great it will be make the entire defense great. That's the missing piece in the defense past few years and largely why teams were able to stomp us at the end of games. No pass rush, no killer instinct on the defensive line at all.
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:37 pm to deuce985
We've been in games with no pass rush anyway, what's the difference? If we can stop the power run, which I believe firmly we will with the core previously listed, then we just need an efficient offense. I have a feeling it will be explosive instead.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:43 pm to crescentcity
That fine as long as no one on the defense gets nicked? There’s not much depth at line or linebackers. The offense has potential but in the words of the great Jim Mora, potential means you haven’t done nothing yet.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:50 pm to lsuhunt555
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I dont think this is a ground breaking statement, but the season pretty much hinges on that Auburn game.
If we can win 1 of Auburn/Bama, I think we will win the west
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:55 pm to crescentcity
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:56 pm to deuce985
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I'm looking at MSU first. Just having Dak for that team will show you why actually having a decent QB can change the entire team's play. I know they usually are the whipping dogs for us but it is on the road and they do have Dak. LSU could easily go into that game without an identity that early in the season and lose 2 in a row to MSU.
MSU lost 3 starters on their offensive line. That's a lot of experience to lose upfront. It doesn't matter what level of football or how good a quarterback is, he will not consistently overcome mistakes along the offensive line. Running back Josh Robinson is gone as well. They will be depending on a lot of younger players to step up if they want to maintain the same type of ground game they had last season.
They also lost 2 huge play makers on defense in Preston Smith & Bernardrick McKinney. Stop pretending that the 2015 Bulldogs will be the same as the 2014 version. They won't be. The Tigers on the other hand bring back a ton of starters with more experience.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:58 pm to deuce985
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Going to be rough the first month or so
When the hell has the first month been rough for LSU? Neither the badgers, ducks or hurricanes made for a rough first month so why would Syracuse.
should have looked at the schedule before this post but we still haven't lost many games in the first month in the last 10 years.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:58 pm to dboyback
feel another undefeated regular season for some reason. Maybe it was the poster on the rant that started a tread about LSU going undefeated. We should all hype this instead of biotching about the QB like we're the only team in the world with an unproven QB.
The same people that say 'hat was last year' then go on to say LSU will have another crappy QB like it's a given. Like I've said plenty of times, there has NEVER been consecutive years of bad LSU QB play under Miles.
The same people that say 'hat was last year' then go on to say LSU will have another crappy QB like it's a given. Like I've said plenty of times, there has NEVER been consecutive years of bad LSU QB play under Miles.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:08 pm to deuce985
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That's some real blind optimism there because we've seen a lot of these guys playing and they don't show anywhere near the flashes of greatness the guys in 2011 showed.
So you're saying you haven't seen any flashes from Beckwith, Godchaux, Teuhema, Bowers, LaCouture, White, Thomas, or Adams? And you don't think KT III is a stud?
How about Fournette, Williams, Dupre, Dural, Boutte, Pocic, Alexander, Smith, or Hawkins?
Fournette, Williams, & Guice will be a better trio than the RBs from 2011.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:10 pm to BigEdLSU
That's not a serious question is it? 
What do you think a defensive line that can stop the run and pass rush will do for the entire defense?
What do you think a defensive line that can stop the run and pass rush will do for the entire defense?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:17 pm to deuce985
Agree to disagree. I'm confident this defense will be great. You're pessimistic. End of debate.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:17 pm to deuce985
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Pretty stupid to say we're as loaded as we were in 2011. That defense was amazing and this current defense has not shown they're close to the talent lvl that 2011 defense was. We've had a problem in the trenches for several years now and even with Coach O, I don't think it's going to change with the inexperience we'll have playing out there. Going to take Coach O a awhile to get these guys playing up to the DL-U tagline. I have confidence he'll do it just not this year.
Did you see what we lost on defense after 2010? The fact that LSU was so strong on defense was pretty much a huge surpise.
This is 2010
1) We lost Nevis, Sheppard, and Peterson (3 first team ALL SEC, 2 ALL Americans)
2) Montgomery suffered a season ending injury in week 5
3) Reid, Mathieu, Simon, and Loston were all true sophomores coming into 2011
4) We lost our 1150 yard 15 TD starter back in Ridley
5) The two RBs behind him accounted TOTAL 443 yards 4 TDs
6) We brought back a worse passing game than in 2014
7) Reuben Randle and Shepard were our only returning experienced WRs after Toliver expired his eligibility (they combined for 800 yards 4 TDs)
LSU's defense is pretty similar albeit we don't have an LB returning with 7 sacks. LSU's offense is WAAAY better though compared to what we brought back in 2011.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:19 pm to deuce985
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What do you think a defensive line that can stop the run and pass rush will do for the entire defense?
That's what this defense is getting back to. One big run-stopping defensive end like in the days of Pelini and Saban. And Beckwith is not a far drop from Minter.
The players stated the philosphy is changing but the scheme is not all that different. They should be able to hit the ground running. We didn't have a huge loss at DE because Bowers played quite a bit. That means only one of the starting linemen is being replaced. And QT (a fifth year senior) is back at DT.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:20 pm to Will2nd
The comparison between this team and 2011 is just stupid. This team has a lot of good players but so many things went right in 2011. They had a lot of hype going in because at the end of 2010 they showed an acceleration in maturity. This team? Not so much. They fizzled out as last season went along with a lot of the same players. Comparing this team to 2011 is not realistic. In order for you to get a team like that a lot of luck needs to happen and it's not very common.
You realize a lot of people consider that LSU defense to be among one of the best ever? Imagine how different it would be if LSU actually beat Bama in that NC game.
You realize a lot of people consider that LSU defense to be among one of the best ever? Imagine how different it would be if LSU actually beat Bama in that NC game.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:41 pm to Datbayoubengal
Yeah, no. It's not the same. You don't know what we have opposite of White and White is not as good as Claiborne/TM7, period. He's a good player but those guys were superstar CBs. Both were top 5 NFL talents but TM7's trouble and size dropped him. Brooks was even drafted in the 4th.
The entire defensive line was amazing. You arguably had 3 1st rounders(Sam would've been if he didn't mess up before draft) on it with a 2nd round pick in Logan. Brockers couldn't be moved, Logan was the lost hero in that line, Sam was dominant and Mingo was the pass rush specialist. Even a reserve in Edwards was drafted in the 5th. The comparison isn't even close. Who outside Godchaux has shown you they can be this defensive line? Don't say someone who played 1 game with sparing snaps on a creampuff team who got 3 sacks when the offensive line booked it in. The defensive line will have a ton of inexperience going into it this year. We rotated a ton of guys in 2010 to know what we were getting in 2011, while in comparison last year we rarely rotated due to no trust in the younger lineman.
Lacouture(sp?) has been a solid DT but he's not great. If you were to compare him to somebody in that 2011 line it would be Logan but Logan showed much more than him to this point which is why he was a high pick. What you saw in Logan was what you got he was very reliable. Lacouture got mauled a lot last year and it probably had to do with us rarely rotating defensive lineman.
The entire defensive line was amazing. You arguably had 3 1st rounders(Sam would've been if he didn't mess up before draft) on it with a 2nd round pick in Logan. Brockers couldn't be moved, Logan was the lost hero in that line, Sam was dominant and Mingo was the pass rush specialist. Even a reserve in Edwards was drafted in the 5th. The comparison isn't even close. Who outside Godchaux has shown you they can be this defensive line? Don't say someone who played 1 game with sparing snaps on a creampuff team who got 3 sacks when the offensive line booked it in. The defensive line will have a ton of inexperience going into it this year. We rotated a ton of guys in 2010 to know what we were getting in 2011, while in comparison last year we rarely rotated due to no trust in the younger lineman.
Lacouture(sp?) has been a solid DT but he's not great. If you were to compare him to somebody in that 2011 line it would be Logan but Logan showed much more than him to this point which is why he was a high pick. What you saw in Logan was what you got he was very reliable. Lacouture got mauled a lot last year and it probably had to do with us rarely rotating defensive lineman.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:41 pm to Will2nd
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LaCouture
I think he is a big key this year. He really needs to step up his game and improve from last season. He got pushed around pretty often.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:49 pm to wilceaux
He did. I think it had more to do with fatigue though because they were asking him and Godchaux to stay in games almost exclusively.
If you're not rotating defensive lineman you're going to get beat in the trenches at some point in the SEC. Arkansas straight rolled that defense as did Notre Dame.
If you're not rotating defensive lineman you're going to get beat in the trenches at some point in the SEC. Arkansas straight rolled that defense as did Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:22 pm to deuce985
LSU has insane amount of offensive talent. Far more than 2011. Again it goes back to Miles trust in his quarterback and how that goes.
For as much you rag on this defense they still finished last season as #1 SEC D in yards last season as a very inexperienced group. Almost everyone is back and LSU has only added more elite talent. Like the #1 overall corner. I just wish Hunter had stayed one more season. I was worried about the linebacker group but after watching 2014 replays I feel much better. Both outside guys have experience with speed and our guy in the middle takes over games like Minter.
White is every bit as good as Claiborne.. I don't understand wtf you are smoking there. Have you watched White play? Specifically last season..? Irrelevant, but how's Claiborne's play been lately? And Jamal Adams is Eric Berry good so that's as close to Tyrann as you are going to get.. Tyrann is a rare and special guy. I don't care if LSU is statically #1 in defense.. I much rather see more turnovers, sacks, and tackles for loss.. This is what will win LSU games and I think LSU will improve on all three from a season ago..
You talk about the 2011 team as getting a ton of preseason hype.. Well this LSU team is gaining buzz. They were just ranked in the top 5 ESPN power football index. This is finally a team that didn't lose a ton of talent on either side of the ball. Even the special teams returns, maybe they too can improve with experience.. But it all goes back to QB play.. Look at TCU.. A decent defensive football program we beat just a couple years back.. They fire their OC and go a different route. They put an athlete at QB and let him go nuts on offense.. And their defense collapse.. But yet now they can hang with anybody.. He will throw a couple of picks a games but he will still put up more TDs than turnovers. I don't want LSU to be anyone else.. I just want Miles to have his team have that same confidence and trust that they will overcome any turnovers..
For as much you rag on this defense they still finished last season as #1 SEC D in yards last season as a very inexperienced group. Almost everyone is back and LSU has only added more elite talent. Like the #1 overall corner. I just wish Hunter had stayed one more season. I was worried about the linebacker group but after watching 2014 replays I feel much better. Both outside guys have experience with speed and our guy in the middle takes over games like Minter.
White is every bit as good as Claiborne.. I don't understand wtf you are smoking there. Have you watched White play? Specifically last season..? Irrelevant, but how's Claiborne's play been lately? And Jamal Adams is Eric Berry good so that's as close to Tyrann as you are going to get.. Tyrann is a rare and special guy. I don't care if LSU is statically #1 in defense.. I much rather see more turnovers, sacks, and tackles for loss.. This is what will win LSU games and I think LSU will improve on all three from a season ago..
You talk about the 2011 team as getting a ton of preseason hype.. Well this LSU team is gaining buzz. They were just ranked in the top 5 ESPN power football index. This is finally a team that didn't lose a ton of talent on either side of the ball. Even the special teams returns, maybe they too can improve with experience.. But it all goes back to QB play.. Look at TCU.. A decent defensive football program we beat just a couple years back.. They fire their OC and go a different route. They put an athlete at QB and let him go nuts on offense.. And their defense collapse.. But yet now they can hang with anybody.. He will throw a couple of picks a games but he will still put up more TDs than turnovers. I don't want LSU to be anyone else.. I just want Miles to have his team have that same confidence and trust that they will overcome any turnovers..
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:28 pm to beauchristopher
LSU's defense was rated highly last year in the SEC because it was a down year for SEC defenses. Claiborne was a 100% lockdown corner even in 2010. It's even arguable that Claiborne was as good as Peterson in coverage. Teams could rarely throw on him. White is not as good as Claiborne. He's a great corner but he gets beat a lot more than Claiborne ever did.
Jamal Adams is as good as Eric Berry...I stopped reading there. You have got to be kidding me. The guy is going to be a stud but you're already saying he's better than Eric Berry's career at Tenn? Give me a break. I'm not even going to read the rest because I'm sure it's full of hyperbole just like that. If you said something like he's showing potential to be as good as Eric Berry maybe you'd be on something...
Jamal Adams is as good as Eric Berry...I stopped reading there. You have got to be kidding me. The guy is going to be a stud but you're already saying he's better than Eric Berry's career at Tenn? Give me a break. I'm not even going to read the rest because I'm sure it's full of hyperbole just like that. If you said something like he's showing potential to be as good as Eric Berry maybe you'd be on something...
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 5:30 pm to BigBrod81
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MSU lost 3 starters on their offensive line
Ok. But they have a starting 5 of 4 jr's and one senior... They have been in the program long enough to be effective....Their defense is full of jr's and seniors... Upperclassman... three of their top four rushers are back, their top two wr's... They have not lost as much as most are saying... Losing starters makes a difference but with a ton of upperclassman coming back they are still dangerous........ This will NOT be an easy game for the Tigers .Esp with whatever qb we throw at them....
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