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re: Mad Men: Lost Horizon
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:14 pm to DragginFly
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:14 pm to DragginFly
Those are some monster boobs
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:26 pm to biggsc
Funny how this guy gets to play with them irl.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:04 pm to TigerCub
quote:Trippy movie.
"Lili"
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:01 pm to Cosmo
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:54 pm to biggsc
quote:
Those are some monster boobs
I always wonder how everything looks underneath those clothes. Is she wearing like 2 layers of spanks and a heavy duty bra to hold everything together?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:40 am to DragginFly
quote:Such a douche.
Paul Kinsey
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:09 am to TigerCub
quote:
And Don looking at his window earlier. Hmm
The OPEN window with the howling of the wind audible? Is the fall of Don Draper figurative and literal? There are signs pointing to that, not the least of which has been the opening credits from S1:E1. What did his ethereal recently deceased boss say to him in the car right before he disappeared? Draper said he was riding the rails and the reply is something like, "at midnight, in a Cadillac with a ghost." I think Draper jumps.
NYPD Blue was all about the redemption of Andy. Don't see Don having any connections to reality, life or human companionship. (possibly Roger is the exception because he knows that Don Draper is literally a dead man inhabited by a ghost)
Just one man's speculations-good TV for sure.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:45 am to Mr. Misanthrope
What if McCann starts getting pissed at the partners of SCDP flaking out and demands that if Don doesn't come back to work, the terms of the sale are ruled void and the partners have to cough up all of that money? So Don is forced back to work and after realizing he's trapped in a terrible situation with no family or attachments, he decides to take the Price way out and kill himself in his office....by jumping out of the window.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:46 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:04 am to FairhopeTider
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So Don is forced back to work and after realizing he's trapped in a terrible situation with no family or attachments, he decides to take the Price way out and kill himself in his office....by jumping out of the window.
Nice take. Full credit to you. I've been kicking this idea around a bit with the wife. McCann said Don was his "Moby Dick" making McCann Ahab. In the book Ahab and the whole ship and crew perished, save one. So what happens to the Great White Whale when Ahab lands him? Off the harpoon and out the window? I like your take. Thoughtful.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:11 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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Nice take. Full credit to you.
Or full credit to every person who has seen this show since season 1. This has literally been the most popular theory since people saw the title sequence.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:19 am to Hester Carries
Dons not jumping out of his window. I really wish some MM fans would drop that theory. That would be a horrible ending.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:33 am to Hester Carries
quote:Yeah, Draper jumping out of a window, I realize that, but the motivations and forces moving Draper, particulars of the take over/buyout, increasing hints, Don's increasing detachment and isolation expressed by the OP (FairhopeTider) were what I was giving him credit for. Unless his specific take has been foreseen from season 1 by everyone I'll stand by giving him credit.
This has literally been the most popular theory since people saw the title sequence.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:44 am to FairhopeTider
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What if McCann starts getting pissed at the partners of SCDP flaking out and demands that if Don doesn't come back to work, the terms of the sale are ruled void and the partners have to cough up all of that money? So Don is forced back to work and after realizing he's trapped in a terrible situation with no family or attachments, he decides to take the Price way out and kill himself in his office....by jumping out of the window.
Plausible conclusion. And when you look at Don from a personal perspective it almost seems likely, even inevitable. Still, when I look at the larger themes of the show, somehow I don't think so.
And just what are those themes? They are pretty much the themes of the 60's and 70's decades:
1. There has been a distinct saga of women being sexually harassed and discriminated against to some extent yet rising to a higher status.
2. Introduction of blacks into the workplace, etc. also attaining higher status.
3. Dog eat dog work environment; basically survival of the fittest or perhaps the most ruthless.
4. Infidelity.
5. Alcoholism and Drug culture.
6. War & Peace.
And while Don, has been the poster boy as a handsome elite for infidelity and alcoholism he has also been a pretty stand up guy in terms of acknowledging his wrong doing, an amiable supportive divorce with Betty and support for the kids, fair treatment of women in the workplace (support for Peggy) and hiring black women. In other words, Don is not the typical male chauvinist of the time, nor is he bigoted or racist. His main issues are alcoholism and staying pretty much horny most of the time.
Don is of course the best of the best in terms of advertising instincts and expertise in general. I guess what I'm saying is that if Don commits suicide, then some of the positive themes in the show die with him but then again maybe that's what they are trying to convey as an appropriate culmination of the Mad Men of the 60's and 70's. And I can easily see the show ending with Peggy delivering an emotionally positive eulogy during Don's graveside services describing how Don supported her literally at her bedside after her bastard baby was born. He could have fired her as an outcast in that 60's society but he didn't. Instead he saw great potential in her and lifted her up from her mentally depressed ashes.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 11:25 am to davesdawgs
I wish they had gone ahead and killed off Harry Crane as they originally intended at the end of season one so that we wouldn't have to hear about Don jumping out of a window for the next six seasons. Of course Harry is one of the funnier and more interesting characters so I'm happy they didn't kill him off, but he was the one going out the window if you really believe the opening to credits to have foreshadowed a jump.
Most likely conclusion? Don ends up in California, as either Dick Whitman or someone new entirely. The man is a hobo at his core; the fact that he's lost everything in his life would only seem to further that natural inclination to do something new.
I'd say the most shocking ending would be Don NOT running and instead heading back to NYC to be a more active father and contributor to McCann. That would likely show the most growth in his character, though, which is why I don't anticipate it happening. Suicide would be totally out of character for anything we've seen of Don. He doesn't need to kill himself, he's a survivor, he'll just become someone new.
Now I could see another type of death for Don (heart attack, stroke, whatever); but I don't think they go that way when it's all said and done.
I'm thinking the last scene is Don introducing himself as Dick Whitman to someone in California.
Most likely conclusion? Don ends up in California, as either Dick Whitman or someone new entirely. The man is a hobo at his core; the fact that he's lost everything in his life would only seem to further that natural inclination to do something new.
I'd say the most shocking ending would be Don NOT running and instead heading back to NYC to be a more active father and contributor to McCann. That would likely show the most growth in his character, though, which is why I don't anticipate it happening. Suicide would be totally out of character for anything we've seen of Don. He doesn't need to kill himself, he's a survivor, he'll just become someone new.
Now I could see another type of death for Don (heart attack, stroke, whatever); but I don't think they go that way when it's all said and done.
I'm thinking the last scene is Don introducing himself as Dick Whitman to someone in California.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 11:27 am to SCTmo
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I wish they had gone ahead and killed off Harry Crane as they originally intended at the end of season one so that we wouldn't have to hear about Don jumping out of a window for the next six seasons.
Wow, never heard this.
Is it season 1 when he cheats on his wife with his secretary?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 11:33 am to craigbiggio
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Is it season 1 when he cheats on his wife with his secretary?
Yes, Rich Sommer talked about how the original plan was for Harry to commit suicide by jumping off the building after committing adultery.
They clearly went another direction (a far better one at that). I think Harry Crane is the most interesting secondary character on television. Here's a dude who started off as the most "moral" of the younger guys at Sterling Cooper and "evolved" into THE sleaze-bag of the show. However, he's also been shown to be incredibly good at his job. In fact, professionally speaking, he's been shown in the most consistently positive light of anyone at the office. Seems rare for even prestige television to give us that much shading regarding a non-main character.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 12:03 pm to davesdawgs
Another interesting take is that Diana's ex-husband talked about how Don wasn't the first one and how Diana was a tornado of destruction. Isn't that Don Draper? He's screwed up several people's lives and has moved on/escaped past lives. Other people from his past have come looking for him as well. Basically, he and Diana are perfect for each other. He can find her and they can both start over again. As other stated, Don returning to being Dick Whitman. I know that's an obvious take.
Not a fan of the Diana storyline as the conclusion of Don, but I can see it happening.
Not a fan of the Diana storyline as the conclusion of Don, but I can see it happening.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 12:53 pm to SCTmo
I still find it funny that to this day Roger & Don absolutely hate Harry Crane.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:02 pm to JBeam
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I still find it funny that to this day Roger & Don absolutely hate Harry Crane.
Roger and Joan definitely hate Harry in all areas. I think even Don has shown a level of respect to him professionally (based on Harry's helping Don out by alerting him to Cutler and Lou's meeting with Commander Cigarettes). Remember that Don was actually a vote for Harry to be made partner. Of course, part of the reason the scene between those two in the bar in California worked so well was that we knew how badly Don must have wanted to escape that house party if he chose to drink with Harry instead.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:03 pm to FairhopeTider
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Diana was a tornado of destruction. Isn't that Don Draper? He's screwed up several people's lives and has moved on/escaped past lives. Other people from his past have come looking for him as well. Basically, he and Diana are perfect for each other. He can find her and they can both start over again.
But at their core they can never be happy, even with someone so alike. That's what makes Don so destructive - he finds someone to fall head over heels for him and then he pulls the rug out from under her and moves on to the next disaster
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