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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:46 pm to biglego
81% now.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:00 pm to abellsujr
This is what happens with the most hyped films-it becomes cool to bash them.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:37 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:Tell me something I don't know.
This is what happens with the most hyped films-it becomes cool to bash them.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:42 pm to Dr RC
quote:
He also called Captain America Winter Solider franchise filler so
I think Winter Soldier is my litmus test. If you didn't think that was a great Comic/Action flick, then I just can't take your opinion seriously.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:48 pm to jcole4lsu
That's the first thing I look at, too. I saw one negative reviewer who gave a positive review to Cap 2, but they didn't exactly praise it. I have yet to see a negative review that I will take very seriously. One talked about some story inconsistencies that I will judge for myself when I see it.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:58 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I've read that this film is darker and has tons of destruction. I'll be interested to see if posters blast this film just as much as they did MOS.
It's the second film in the franchise, and Ultron is a much darker, more fricked up, more intelligent, more ruthless, and can cast a much wider net of destruction than Zod could alone. If Ultron doesn't wipe out a few hundred thousand people (really million) and set up the Civil War, then I'm going to be disappointed. Luke unleashed Vader in his full violent form. Batman unleashed the Joker. These are the types of villains and situations you unleash once the hero wins in the first one, not something you start off with.
You don't go right out of the gate with a level of destruction like MoS did, destruction I would remind you Superman is very much indirectly responsible for. If this was the second film and it's acknowledged (which judging from the previews it is in this movie), then I'm fine with it. It's just clear to me that all Goyer and Snyder did with MoS is make it the exact opposite of Superman Returns, and really they succeeded in that. That is a bad thing though, since it's ridiculously violent to a ridiculous extent and then completely ignored except when it comes to a family of 4.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 2:04 pm to RonBurgundy
Hell most of the "negative" reviews seem to be "well it wasn't as good as the first one...." ok but does that make it a bad movie? Then you also have the types who are sick of these movies and will bash regardless, but not sure why they're even bothering to do a review. "Hey I hate sushi, so here's my review of the latest sushi joint in town..."
Posted on 4/23/15 at 2:06 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:Or they genuinely didn't like the movie.
This is what happens with the most hyped films-it becomes cool to bash them.
These movies aren't perfect. And Avengers movies don't have any room for character development. It's basically "bring the characters from a bunch of other movies into one movie and have them do as much cool stuff as possible in two hours". (Which can be extremely entertaining.)
Not every reviewer is going to review this as the awesome video game / comic book that it is. Some will hold it accountable to being a great movie on its own.
And keep in mind that Avatar made a gazillion dollars and has an 83% rating. That was the furthest thing from a great movie and some critics called Cameron on it. Yet everyone and their mother saw it and liked it based on the effects and experience.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 2:25 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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These movies aren't perfect. And Avengers movies don't have any room for character development.
I agree with you, however the grapevine says Hawkeye is fully fleshed out this go around.
As far as the big 3* going forward what happens in their solo films (although civil war fricks up this notion) should reshape the character(while of course standing on it's own),then with the next Avengers film, the audience should understand where those 3 are coming from while the other Avengers really get the meat of development...and then those events shape the big 3s following film.
This is kind of what they've been doing, but if rumored that 1 of the Phase 2 films is being retconned out in a ways then the solo films lose emphasis.
*and by big 3 it's Rogers,Stark and Thor
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:27 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:
This is what happens with the most hyped films-it becomes cool to bash them.
I only think this is true for a very small set of myopic people (honestly, I don't think we do it around here). For most, they might actually dislike the movie. This could really harm discussion, best not to categorize critique that way.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:32 pm to Freauxzen
So if you take out the percentage of critics that are bashing this movie to be cool, then what should the rating be? 99%? It's the best movie ever made?
85% seems pretty damn good. Go around your office and see if 85% of the people there cared enough to even see the last Avengers movie.
85% seems pretty damn good. Go around your office and see if 85% of the people there cared enough to even see the last Avengers movie.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:35 pm to Fewer Kilometers
??
I'm saying that some people just don't like the film. And that's ok? No need to say they do it to be cool.
quote:
So if you take out the percentage of critics that are bashing this movie to be cool, then what should the rating be? 99%? It's the best movie ever made?
85% seems pretty damn good. Go around your office and see if 85% of the people there cared enough to even see the last Avengers movie.
quote:
For most, they might actually dislike the movie.
I'm saying that some people just don't like the film. And that's ok? No need to say they do it to be cool.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 6:59 pm to Freauxzen
I didn't care for the first Avengers but I am into the "darker" tone of say TDK series. Hopefully I'll like this one, then.
Iron Man 1 and CA:WS I enjoyed too--but the others were meh.
Different tastes I guess. After all the negative reviews MOS got, I think maybe reviewers like to bash on the darker tones these days. It was certainly better than 50% or whatever it was--maybe it was the preconceived notions of what a Superman movie should be.
Iron Man 1 and CA:WS I enjoyed too--but the others were meh.
Different tastes I guess. After all the negative reviews MOS got, I think maybe reviewers like to bash on the darker tones these days. It was certainly better than 50% or whatever it was--maybe it was the preconceived notions of what a Superman movie should be.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:15 pm to abellsujr
Down to 79% now.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:34 pm to RollTide1987
BOMB
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:41 pm to RollTide1987
Damn, Joss dropped the ball on this one
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:19 pm to WicKed WayZ
From a film critic stance, I could see how most comic book movies and especially Marvel's wouldn't be considered a "high quality" film. Marvel has done a fantastic job of bringing a comic book universe to live-action. Their movies may not have the most thought provoking themes or deep stories, but they are fun as hell to watch, family friendly, and make a boat load of cash. Why should Marvel or any comic-book fan care if the rating is at 60 or 80?
I'll be there opening weekend, and more importantly at an Alamo.
I'll be there opening weekend, and more importantly at an Alamo.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:22 pm to StateMan25
30 mil opening weekend
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:25 pm to schexyoung
quote:Cap 2 had a really good and interesting story, IMO. I would also say that it's a high quality film.
From a film critic stance, I could see how most comic book movies and especially Marvel's wouldn't be considered a "high quality" film. Marvel has done a fantastic job of bringing a comic book universe to live-action. Their movies may not have the most thought provoking themes or deep stories, but they are fun as hell to watch, family friendly, and make a boat load of cash. Why should Marvel or any comic-book fan care if the rating is at 60 or 80?
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