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re: Is Cam Cameron Above Criticism?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:14 pm to La Place Mike
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:14 pm to La Place Mike
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It's pretty much the same offense no matter who the OC is.
Its really just not true.
There was a significant difference between the 2012 and 2013 offense, and Jimbo's and Crowton's and Crowtons and Stud's
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:18 pm to SammyTiger
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2012 and 2013
Read my post. Mett was a senior prostyle QB with NFL talent, Les has produced jack shite on O without one of these.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:20 pm to MontanaTiger
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Seems like all the criticism about the offense is aimed at Miles. But why doesn't Cam Cameron get some of that criticism? After all, he is the offensive coordinator. I assume that he has a lot to do with this offense.
because we've been watching the same shite since 2009 at least. Cam cameron just got here last year. And when i say the "same shite" I don't just mean ineptitude I mean the exact same ineptitude for the exact same reasons and thats spanned three different OCs. Frankly I don't know what the point of us hiring an OC is.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:21 pm to Laman1978
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It has been the same offense under Miles since he has been here. I don't even know why we have an OC. It is a waste of money. Miles is just getting his buddy paid. I wish that dumb frick would leave.
I wish dumb asses like YOU would leave!
We are absolutely NOT running the same offense we were running under Crowton now - have you seen a short side option, an inside bubble screen or --- a pass to the Tight End in the middle seam since about 2010?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:23 pm to deuce985
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Nah but I'm willing to bet a lot of the problems on offense are Miles related. Why I do say that? Because he has been through multiple coordinators and it's always the same offense with the same problems. The only consistency to correlate them? Miles. That's how I know.
exactly!! how can this even still be up for debate. i
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:23 pm to MontanaTiger
quote:The answer with our hypocritical, inconsistent fan base: Last year, yes; this year, no.
Is Cam Cameron Above Criticism?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:46 pm to LSU91MBA
Miles is the equivalent of a guy who owns a Chillis, pays expensive chefs to come work for him, but forces them to cook the same bland bullshite they've been putting out for years.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:48 pm to MontanaTiger
No coach is above criticism. They get paid a helluva a lot of money to get a team ready to play 12-13 times a year.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:48 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:Very strong consideration for new sig quote.
Miles has used up all of the coordinator excuses. It's all on him now.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:37 am to mmcgrath
While the overall philosphy has always leaned conservative (a little less so in 06 and last year), there are big differences when it comes to formations and scheme. Fischer ran a balanced offense, but out of traditional formations. When Crowton came in, he added the Pistol in 07, even though he didn't really change the philosophy until the next season. Has everyone conveniently forgotten the insane formation diarrhea that marked 08 & 09? We all complained about how predictable it was at the time.
I think Miles really started exerting complete control when Krags and Studs were on the staff. I could at least see Fischer's and Crowton's influence (good in the case of the former, bad for the latter) from 05-09. From what I know of Krags at Tulsa and Louisville and Studs at BGU, we didn't see much if any of that here at the time. Let's just be honest. They were weak. They were puppets.
We saw Cam's hands all over the passing game last year, but the toss dive, tons of I formation, and relapses into conservatism were still there. This year, with Miles not trusting these young QBs, it seems he has reigned things in. But it is also interesting to note that a big reason Cam was ousted in Baltimore was due to the perception that he was overly conservative. I know that their fans didn't think he made the best use of a great QB and solid skill players. But there were rumors that the same attitude held true in the locker room. I think that eventually caused a bit of a rift between him and Flacco, as well. I just say this because it may not just be Miles in this case. Cam may be trying to protect these 2 QBs and may not trust them to do anything but run, and then go down the field with play action. He has a track record that suggests that he may not be an unwilling participant in this current offense.
All this to say, I agree that Miles has always had his hands on things, because Fischer and Crowton both complained about it. However, I think if you actually go back and watch games from previous years, you will see a lot more variations of formations and player groupings than you might expect. We just feel it more right now because Miles and Cam have gone SO FAR to the conservative side this year.
I think Miles really started exerting complete control when Krags and Studs were on the staff. I could at least see Fischer's and Crowton's influence (good in the case of the former, bad for the latter) from 05-09. From what I know of Krags at Tulsa and Louisville and Studs at BGU, we didn't see much if any of that here at the time. Let's just be honest. They were weak. They were puppets.
We saw Cam's hands all over the passing game last year, but the toss dive, tons of I formation, and relapses into conservatism were still there. This year, with Miles not trusting these young QBs, it seems he has reigned things in. But it is also interesting to note that a big reason Cam was ousted in Baltimore was due to the perception that he was overly conservative. I know that their fans didn't think he made the best use of a great QB and solid skill players. But there were rumors that the same attitude held true in the locker room. I think that eventually caused a bit of a rift between him and Flacco, as well. I just say this because it may not just be Miles in this case. Cam may be trying to protect these 2 QBs and may not trust them to do anything but run, and then go down the field with play action. He has a track record that suggests that he may not be an unwilling participant in this current offense.
All this to say, I agree that Miles has always had his hands on things, because Fischer and Crowton both complained about it. However, I think if you actually go back and watch games from previous years, you will see a lot more variations of formations and player groupings than you might expect. We just feel it more right now because Miles and Cam have gone SO FAR to the conservative side this year.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:40 am
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:45 am to deuce985
quote:
always the same offense with the same problems.
not really but whatever.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:07 am to Tigerlaff
quote:The ONLY way this is going to change is if things get bad. Really Bad! Things have to get worse and hit rock bottom before there will be any changes at all. There have to be short term sacrifices made to insure long term success. Things have to get bad enough to where that the normal Fan Base will protest by not going to the games. The stadium has to be noticeably less populated at kickoff before any action will be seriously considered and put into positive action.
Because we've gone through Crowton, Kragthorpe, and Cameron while running the same old Bo Schembechler offense for years.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:43 am to Alt26
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There would be criticism if this didn't look like the same shitty offensive approach in 2009, 2010, 2011 (yes, go watch the first Alabama game on) , and 2012. Now 5 different QBs during that span and 3 OCs. At some point you realize there is only one constant.
:huh: That happened the whole of 2011. I form, 1 WR 2 TE.. That wasn't a Bama switch.
What I want to know is why have we took about half of the routes from last year, and just completes threw them away? Why can other teams get young QBs to run their whole system but we like to limit the frick out of ours? Why in the hell is Miles so afraid of the turnover?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:29 am to MontanaTiger
Cam is the equivalent to the backup QB in this scenario.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:46 am to Datbayoubengal
What happened to the 15-18 yard In route from last year?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:26 am to MontanaTiger
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Is Cam Cameron Above Criticism?
No. I wrote in drunken meltdown mode (but believe it sober) that he's either responsible for what's on the field or he's incapable of influencing his boss to let him do his job. Either way, he's useless. I'm in the military and have never had a problem telling my boss (privately and respectfully) that "we can do what you're asking us to do, but it's not going to achieve the results you said you wanted". If Cam won't do that, he doesn't have the team's best interests at heart. If he's done it and been told to frick off, he should resign on principle. He's a 50-something year old man who's done this job his entire adult life. Grow a pair already.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:28 am to Tigerlaff
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Because we've gone through Crowton, Kragthorpe, and Cameron while running the same old Bo Schembechler offense for years.
Forgot Jimbo
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:02 am to theunknownknight
Miles bashers complain that he should open up the offense. Yet we don't have the QB for it yet.
Harris missed open receivers and repeatedly fled a clean pocket for naught.
With that QB play, can you blame the play calling?
Harris missed open receivers and repeatedly fled a clean pocket for naught.
With that QB play, can you blame the play calling?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:11 am to MontanaTiger
Cam does deserve criticism. For not manning up and telling Les to keep his cotton-picking hands out of the offense.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:13 am to Tigerlaff
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Because we've gone through Crowton, Kragthorpe, and Cameron while running the same old Bo Schembechler offense for years.
let's not forget jimbo
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