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re: Miles/Cam's strategy this year is the correct one
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:36 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:36 am to Tiger Ryno
Miles has a proven track record, and the rest of the SEC knows it. While it is okay to rely on the run, and mix in a few passes, we rarely do the "mix in a few passes" part until we absolutely have to. This makes the "run the ball and control the clock" part of the game plan very difficult. We just watched LSU struggle to gain rushing yards for an entire half against ULM. This was in a half in which our defense totally dominated the Warhawks. How can ULM's outmanned defense do this? Because defenses don't have to take on LSU's run game man for man. They get to have at least a one man or two man advantage. Les Miles has proven over the years that we will continue to run the ball into an 8 or 9 man front come hell or high water. The ultimate sunshine pumpers will point to last year, but last year was the big exception.
Why not use games like ULM to break tendancies and work on the passing game? If ULM is stuffing 9 men in the box, why did we insist on running into that brick wall? The entire SEC knows that Les is not going to throw the ball until he absolutely has to, and it badly hurts our running game. The 2012 @ Florida game was a perfect example. That Florida team was not better than LSU, but they had a good punter pinning us deep, and Les refused to open up running lanes by passing the ball. About our only passing answer was throwing quick slants, but that does nothing to deter teams from stacking the box. If looking at 2013, we had much bigger running lanes because we were willing to throw the ball on early downs and thus teams were not as committed to jamming the box.
This Saturday will be very interesting because last year at Ms. State our offense won that game for us. This year will be different, and I hope our much improved defense will have the chest to win this game on their own.
Why not use games like ULM to break tendancies and work on the passing game? If ULM is stuffing 9 men in the box, why did we insist on running into that brick wall? The entire SEC knows that Les is not going to throw the ball until he absolutely has to, and it badly hurts our running game. The 2012 @ Florida game was a perfect example. That Florida team was not better than LSU, but they had a good punter pinning us deep, and Les refused to open up running lanes by passing the ball. About our only passing answer was throwing quick slants, but that does nothing to deter teams from stacking the box. If looking at 2013, we had much bigger running lanes because we were willing to throw the ball on early downs and thus teams were not as committed to jamming the box.
This Saturday will be very interesting because last year at Ms. State our offense won that game for us. This year will be different, and I hope our much improved defense will have the chest to win this game on their own.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:37 am to STEVED00
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I don't need to see a pass happy offense. I would just like to see us line up at least 2 wide receivers to spread out the defense and keep them honest. Jennings has been pretty good at making safe passes so far.
THIS.
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We can still have a conservative offense but still utilize our superior talent. Putting guys like Neighbors, Jeter, and Moore on the field in lieu of Magee, Diarse, Williams is the issue i have.
And THIS. I really wouldn't mind seeing more of Hilliard and Williams at fullback. It's not like Neighbors has been dominating plus you now have legitimate threats to run the ball.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:38 am to STEVED00
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I dont need to see a high flying offense. Just not one that is totally predictable with inferior players just bc they fit the predetermined role.
We can still have a conservative offense but still utilize our superior talent. Putting guys like Neighbors, Jeter, and Moore on the field in lieu of Magee, Diarse, Williams is the issue i have.
Love this post!
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:43 am to mmcgrath
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I don't need to see a pass happy offense. I would just like to see us line up at least 2 wide receivers to spread out the defense and keep them honest. Jennings has been pretty good at making safe passes so far.
Well, MSU's defense is more susceptible to the pass than the run this season by a long-shot. I do believe this is the overall strategy, but I have to believe we'll be a little more balanced (40/60 run-to-pass) this week. I think this is misinformation at it's best. If not, we could be playing in a nail-biter instead of being a 2 score favorite (-9.5). But hey, that's why they play the games.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:45 am to Flanders
quote:They did it in 2011 with a slightly better defense and a worse offense. As the season goes on this defense could catch the 2011 one.
They did it in 2011 they surely can do it again. It's a winning recipe.
Watch out. We gone be good as hell this year.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:46 am to Tiger Ryno
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Miles summed it up in his post game presser. We have significant advantages on the defensive side and disadvantages on the offensive side of the ball. The priority is to eliminate turnovers and take the ball away. pound our running game and controlled passing game. if we do that it gives us the greatest chance to win every game on our schedule.
I think this is the best strategy, but we have to be flexible enough, and competent enough to take what the opposing defense gives. ULM was loading 9, sometimes 10 in the box and we pounded away at it. I would like to see the Tigers get better at checking out of the run against a stacked box.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 9:55 am to JamesonandTiger
Y'all people claiming Jennings "locks" onto one WR need to understand that Dural is just getting open. Why wouldn't a QB throw the ball to the wide open receiver? That's just good decision making on Jennings part.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:00 am to rantfan
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I agree on the strategy but after some point in the game its not working you have to change strategy.
Do you really think we're going to run the ball 70% of the time Saturday?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:01 am to TigerCub
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Do you really think we're going to run the ball 70% of the time Saturday?
if we get an early lead we might
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:04 am to rantfan
Not if you know the team you are playing (ULM) can't score on you.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:26 am to mmcgrath
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I don't need to see a pass happy offense. I would just like to see us line up at least 2 wide receivers to spread out the defense and keep them honest. Jennings has been pretty good at making safe passes so far.
I watched the game again last night and more often then not we line up in 2 wr sets. I swear you people don't watch the games.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:27 am to Topwater Trout
The swing pass to LF was nice, more of that and in the Wisky game the TEs were open just dropped the ball. I think 9 out of 10 he catches it so go back to it gosh darn. I just don't like when a mistake happens they quit?? No other team does that, you go right back to it and let em make a play and build confidence. I really live the ground and pound but have to use pa off of it and not just on first and third but second down sometimes also. The fakes need to be performed better by the QB also, looks like they really don't fool too many when they go to pa. Jennings needs to actually put the ball in their gut or hands not a foot or two away.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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agreed. I know I don't want to see Jennings chucking it up 25 times a game. he will throw at least 2 picks doing that.
I'm not saying that with this offense AJ should be throwing it 25 times a game either, but what evidence is there that he would throw "at least 2 picks" if he did?
In 3 games this year he has thrown 1 INT, and the ONLY reason that ball was picked is because his WR got knocked down before the ball got there. The pass was on target.
No QB is perfect, but outside of the screen passes AJ has generally been on target and hasn't made many bad throws. He's been much more accurate on the deep ball than Mettenberger ever was, and he's been solid on the 7-15 yard routes. LSU just doesn't run a ton of them. Go back and look at the two big 3rd passes to Diarse in the Wisc. game. Both were well placed, and more importantly, on time. Diarse doesn't get an opportunity to break tackles after the catch if the balls are late. There were several other passes that game that were placed well. The Wisc. DBs just made nice plays.
I think AJ has looked fine as a passer. The playcalling has hamstrung him a bit because many times he's throwing in known passing situations (3rd and long) or the play only has one, maybe two receivers in the route. If that guy is well covered, then the play is essentially over.
LSU isn't built to have an A&M type passing game, and that's ok. With team loading up to stop the run, it might be nice to see the offense spread the formation out a bit on 1st and 2nd down. Use the TE's a bit more over the middle. Right now LSU is very predictable.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:29 am to Choupique19
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We can still have a conservative offense but still utilize our superior talent. Putting guys like Neighbors, Jeter, and Moore on the field in lieu of Magee, Diarse, Williams is the issue i have.
First off magee looks pedestrian. Second neighbors opened up a huge whole for Leonard's td. Third Williams and hilliard have both lined up at fb quite often this season. 4th if you want diarse on the field then its because Quinn or Malachi was in instead.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:31 am to Alt26
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In 3 games this year he has thrown 1 INT, and the ONLY reason that ball was picked is because his WR got knocked down before the ball got there. The pass was on target.
It was 4 on 1. Should not have made that throw.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:46 am to FT
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As the season goes on this defense could catch the 2011 one.
I just don't understand how an LSU fan, who watched one of the greatest college defenses of all time in 2011,
a defense with pro-players stacked across the 2-Deep, and then has seen our defense decline 2 straight years after losing all those players ('12 & '13), can even say that our D this year "could catch 2011". If you think any unit of this year's team is as good as '11, you are delusional. We will not be shutting out every opponent we play. The offense will need to score points.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:52 am to madddoggydawg
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If you think any unit of this year's team is as good as '11, you are delusional. We will not be shutting out every opponent we play. The offense will need to score points.
I think as far as points allowed goes, this year's group could match them. But as for forcing turnovers and creating points for the good guys, no way! That 2011 defense was in a league of its own when it came to that.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:04 am to FT
quote:and a down year for the SEC. Outside of Alabama, every SEC team on our schedule was having a very bad year relative to 2014.
They did it in 2011 with a slightly better defense and a worse offense.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:21 am to Tiger Ryno
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I know I don't want to see Jennings chucking it up 25 times a game. he will throw at least 2 picks doing that.
With good dbs I reluctantly agree he's likely to turn it over. I just don't want to be so conservative that Bama tees off on us.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:21 am to mmcgrath
AJ made passes against Wisconsin (2nd Half) that were very encouraging.
I'd like them to trust him a little more and throw over the middle.
It gets tougher this week and I'm hopeful Cam & Les will get it done
I'd like them to trust him a little more and throw over the middle.
It gets tougher this week and I'm hopeful Cam & Les will get it done
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