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re: Why doesn't the GOP attempt to "fracture" the DEM party?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what if the competing argument is
you seem to assume all people who are uneducated are lazy and don't work hard.
there are a lot of hard working citizens in this country especially minorities.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:30 pm to petar
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you seem to assume all people who are uneducated are lazy and don't work hard.
there are a lot of hard working citizens in this country especially minorities.
it's all part of this defense mechanism.
they are losing the battle so rather than do any soul searching to figure out what they are doing wrong, they lash out and find someone else to blame.
"personal responsibility" indeed
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:30 pm to WeeWee
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did you not read where I said millenial either don't care about the issue (like me) or support same sex marriage?
then why did you say they shouldn't touch the issue? In my opinion, they should move to a more libertarian stance on the issue to attract more voters. existing voters won't change party allegiances based solely on a more libertarian approach
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you act like this is easy to do in the face of a liberal media and academia that does what it can to legitimize their arguments
Oh, its not easy but its doable. In my lifetime, we have had multiple conservative messages that resonated - reagan, 1994 revolution, even the 2010 midterms. Is the media more liberal now? I doubt it, back in the 80s, there was no fox news and newspaper readership was much more distributed.
Its just an excuse that is convenient for conservatives to point to for why they have a hard time with their message.
Anyway, there is plenty of discussion on conservative topics. The problem is they are doing a really poor job with their messages. They just need to drop the gay marriage line, and soften up on all social issues in general. This is where they get destroyed.
Did you see the pew research study on millenials. They aren't crazy leftist on economic issues, in fact they come close to approaching libertarian.
Conservatives just need to concede on gay marriage. This would help them tremendously with the general public.
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if samsung were faced with a world where the vast majority of reviewing sites were pro-apple and samsung was not able to even get a discussion started b/c those sites would dismiss (or refuse to publish) the pro-samsung arguments, then we'd have a comparable discussion
Naw, it works b.c you are saying the media is part of the democratic party.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:34 pm to petar
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you seem to assume all people who are uneducated are lazy and don't work hard.
what?
that's such a ginormous straw-man that is borders on an ad hom attack
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there are a lot of hard working citizens in this country especially minorities.
what are you talking about? where did i even bring up minorities in that post?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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they are losing the battle so rather than do any soul searching to figure out what they are doing wrong, they lash out and find someone else to blame.
huh?
who did i blame?
let's re-visit my comment
what if the competing argument is: you can work less (possibly 0) and get more, without paying for it
1. who am i blaming?
2. how do minorities play into this?
3. where do i say there aren't hard-working people on earth who lack an education?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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welcome to the poli board
this is why they are on the "only people who make x should be allowed to vote, women shouldn't be allowed to vote" train these days.
it's pathetic but not surprising given this crew
its quite amusing. I can't wait until 2016 to watch the epic meltdown after the election.
I assume it was hysterical post 2012. They are going to rev themselves up that they can win, and then be bitterly disappointed.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who did i blame?
the media, academia, your alleged inability to get your "message" out
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:40 pm to Hawkeye95
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we have had multiple conservative messages that resonated - reagan, 1994 revolution, even the 2010 midterms.
the 2010 midterms created the very schism that led to this thread's OP
when will the DEM party ever have a "2010" moment? that's the question
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They just need to drop the gay marriage line, and soften up on all social issues in general.
oh, so go with the original "Tea Party" movement that was called horribly "Right wing" and "whacko"?
the original "Tea Party" was for small government, both in pocket books and the bed room
whackos!
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Conservatives just need to concede on gay marriage. This would help them tremendously with the general public.
you mean the GOP needs to concede on gay marriage
and it would possibly destroy the religious base of the GOP in the process, plus those religious fanatics will vote for the rep who falls in line with their believes. ideas over party. again, the schism
why doesn't this exist in the DEM party?
hell, why don't black churches that are VERY anti-homosexual get called out there like white, GOP churches? i can play the same game with DEM-supporting groups, too
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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where did i even bring up minorities in that post?
more related to the other thread and attracting GOP minority voters. Sorry getting the different threads confused
I wasn't meant as an attack just to say that
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If you work for something, it should be yours. or Less government means more freedom for you.
to hard working people is much more favorable than
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you can work less (possibly 0) and get more, without paying for it
I think people still have personal pride in their work for the most part. Although you're statement would have a lot of sway to those lazy, non working voters, i think there are more hard working people. Even some people on welfare, unemployment etc. want to get back on their feet, and become productive citizens again. To say they wont understand any type of conservative message is foolish and insulting to those people imo.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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the media, academia, your alleged inability to get your "message" out
not in that post
and my message is kept down by both emotional progs and GOP fanatics. in terms of demographics my people are black, female transgenders from Jackson, Mississippi
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:43 pm to petar
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lthough you're statement would have a lot of sway to those lazy, non working voters, i think there are more hard working people. Even some people on welfare, unemployment etc. want to get back on their feet, and become productive citizens again.
you see if it's just welfare? ok
but it's much deeper than that. hard working people of both sides despise welfare...but shift that to Medicaid or Obamacare? child daycare subsidies? Section 8? it's a much, much tougher road
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in terms of demographics my people are black, female transgenders from Jackson, Mississippi
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanctions
From someone who indicated that he was (somewhat) above the fray, that he saw the Democratic Party the lesser of two evils (but apparently - not the optimal solution), you sure spend a lot of time critizing the Republican Party. Any criticism of the Democratic Party? At all? Or are you concerned about the knacker?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and it would possibly destroy the religious base of the GOP in the process, plus those religious fanatics will vote for the rep who falls in line with their believes. ideas over party. again, the schism
why doesn't this exist in the DEM party?
hell, why don't black churches that are VERY anti-homosexual get called out there like white, GOP churches? i can play the same game with DEM-supporting groups, too
Well, it points out to one thing I've seen mentioned in this thread that I find laughable. The notion that Dems hold a monopoly on single-issue voters. Both parties are full of single issue voters.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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when will the DEM party ever have a "2010" moment? that's the question
they had it in recent history.
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and it would possibly destroy the religious base of the GOP in the process, plus those religious fanatics will vote for the rep who falls in line with their believes. ideas over party. again, the schism
Not really. who else are they going to vote for? you think they are going to vote for the democrats? not likely.
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why doesn't this exist in the DEM party?
the democratic party had this happen in the 70s and 80s. It was finally won by the DLC with bill clinton in 1992. Its too soon for another schism. But once the republicans sort out their problems, and they will sort it out. I suspect it won't be until 2020 though. the democrats will have to adjust to the new alignment.
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hell, why don't black churches that are VERY anti-homosexual get called out there like white, GOP churches? i can play the same game with DEM-supporting groups, too
this is really the only interesting question I have seen. And I think the reason is democrats aren't attacking their own. Republicans were masterful at the same policy until bush imploded the party, then their fractures manifested themselves.
The democrats have poor message discipline and a not very good message at the moment. But they are winning b.c the republicans are worse and they are beating themselves up at the moment.
Its really fricking fun to watch!
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:52 pm to CountryVolFan
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Would the GOP have more success nationally if they could "break up the band" rather than trying to beat it? If so, how would it be done?
DINOs
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:03 pm to The Spleen
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A lot of the fracture in the GOP is caused by conservatives, not so much dems fracturing them.
Wrong... unless you believe that talking heads on TV and in print aren't Dems. The people in Washington BELIEVE what these people tell them, and that place is just as much a clique-driven machine as high school. All the Dems have to do is say X isn't cool, and these fricks believe it. The fractures ARE from Dem operations.
The people running the Republican party are not, by definition, republicans. They are more in favor of a strong federal government, rather than the limited one defined in the Constitution. This may be due to what they believe, or simply scared politics. Many are actually democrats(little d) that find an easier way in to power by running in the GOP.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:08 pm to SoulGlo
Your second paragraph illustrated exactly what I said in my post you said was wrong.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:23 pm to Hawkeye95
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Not really. who else are they going to vote for? you think they are going to vote for the democrats? not likely.
they just won't vote
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And I think the reason is democrats aren't attacking their own.
...and the media?
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