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re: Why doesn't the GOP attempt to "fracture" the DEM party?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:14 am to notiger1997
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:14 am to notiger1997
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This shite cracks me up.
Are you not aware of the Republican establishments funding and campaigning against Tea Party candidates across the nation?
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:21 am to EST
ESt You loose notiger1997 has played the laughing emoticon on you. That beats everything,it replaces facts and in his case, thought.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:23 am to CountryVolFan
I wish the Democrat party would fracture itself.
It's got the brightest segments of the population but also the dumbest. Unfortunately, dumb people reproduce faster. The party is basically hijacked.
It's got the brightest segments of the population but also the dumbest. Unfortunately, dumb people reproduce faster. The party is basically hijacked.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:24 am to EST
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Are you not aware of the Republican establishments funding and campaigning against Tea Party candidates across the nation?
Are you not aware that the Tea Party will not win general elections?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:26 am to petar
You do realize Tea party backed candidates are doing quite well in elections and have won.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:27 am to udtiger
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Because the party is run by retards.
This and because most of the GOP base isn't as delusional as the Dem base.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:33 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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You do realize Tea party backed candidates are doing quite well in elections and have won.
Really? How many tea party senator are in the Senate? Or have a chance to get nominated for the GOP ticket? But lets act like that statement is true just for a brief minute.
A) why do you think the GOP is supporting non- tea party candidates?
B) do you think it has anything to do with the fact that they are tea party or the fact that they are anti-establishment?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:34 am to petar
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Are you not aware that the Tea Party will not win general elections?
I wonder why?
Could it be the continuous lies spread about the Tea Party by Democrats and RINO's? It is amazing how many people have such an inaccurate view of the Tea Party.
The RINO's play their role well - act like they oppose Dem's but in the end they really do nothing and the Dem's get their way.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:35 am to EST
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Are you not aware of the Republican establishments funding and campaigning against Tea Party candidates across the nation?
I'm very aware of this and in some cases is sucks.
I'm also very aware of the fringe folks in the GOP party who are single issue and/or worried too much about social issues in politics.
They aren't going to win very many general elections in most areas of the country and they annoy me with their pounding of the chest and whining about who is not conservative enough.
It seems in many instances these folks are hurting the party.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:41 am to notiger1997
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They aren't going to win very many general elections in most areas of the country and they annoy me with their pounding of the chest and whining about who is not conservative enough.
They aren't with the way the game is currently structured. However, if they could fracture the DEM base, I don't see why they couldn't.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:43 am to notiger1997
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Could it be the continuous lies spread about the Tea Party by Democrats and RINO's? It is amazing how many people have such an inaccurate view of the Tea Party.
i love how people like you blame others for the parties problem. While it is certainly not all true, the tea party does absolutely nothing to change people's opinion on it. Half of america thinks the tea party is bat shite crazy because people on the fringe. Yet, the people of the tea party will not reign these people in and have a concise message.
quote]I'm also very aware of the fringe folks in the GOP party who are single issue and/or worried too much about social issues in politics[/quote]
Social issues= reason GOP can't attract the voters. Like the Tea Party, very conservative socially even though they claim to be a party of small government. only group that really likes social conservative issues is old white men.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:43 am to EST
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Could it be the continuous lies spread about the Tea Party by Democrats and RINO's? It is amazing how many people have such an inaccurate view of the Tea Party.
this is really the fault of the tea party. if you can't control your message, its your problem not your competitors.
Politics is the selling of ideas. Its no different than selling tablets. Imagine if samsung said - we can't sell our tablets b.c apple says they suck. Would you laugh in their face? yes, you would.
What if samsung said we can't sell our tablets b.c the people that buy tablets are too stupid to realize that ours are better? Would you laugh in their face? You bet your arse you would.
But this is exactly what conservatives do, they blame others for their own deficiencies. What is amazing is these same people preach personal responsibility. its ridiculous.
to OP, the democratic party is ready to fracture but the current war in the GOP is holding them off. Once that settles, I see a full party re-alignment occuring (assuming the GOP actually does change)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:44 am to CountryVolFan
Honestly? You cannot fracture chaos driven by an ideology. All of those under their tent believe that they will all (eventually) achieve their desired endstate, even though they are often diametrically opposed to each other. I give the Democratic Party tremendous credit, they do a great job of convincing all of their constituents that life will be great when they (finally) reach Nirvana. You can show them the abject failures of their party leadership/single party rule (e.g. Detroit) and they will still say "But if" or "They did" and the adherents will still believe. Along the lines of (secular-humanist) religious fervor/hysteria.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:45 am to petar
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B) do you think it has anything to do with the fact that they are tea party or the fact that they are anti-establishment?
in terms of the "spending" arm of the "tea party", those are 1 in the same.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:46 am to petar
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...the tea party does absolutely nothing to change people's opinion on it. Half of america thinks the tea party is bat shite crazy because people on the fringe. Yet, the people of the tea party will not reign these people in and have a concise message.
Please take a moment to find any (any) MSM (less Fox News) that in any way is even remotely fair in their coverage of the Tea Party. I think that control of the message is not a Tea Party issue.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:46 am to CountryVolFan
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Why doesn't the GOP attempt to "fracture" the DEM party?
Cause they can't offer a higher max out limit on EBT cards as the Dems can.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:47 am to petar
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B) do you think it has anything to do with the fact that they are tea party or the fact that they are anti-establishment?
Of course non establishment. Same answer for A&B
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:48 am to CountryVolFan
we are united by our mutual hatred of the GOP
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:50 am to Wolfhound45
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Please take a moment to find any (any) MSM (less Fox News) that in any way is even remotely fair in their coverage of the Tea Party. I think that control of the message is not a Tea Party issue.
that is just an excuse for not having a message that resonates.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:52 am to Champagne
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The GOP has no desire wage political or informational warfare. They view such means of attaining power as entirely beneath them. They would rather lose elections.
As a rule the GOP are terrible communicators. The party hasn't had a gifted political communicator in thirty years.
Also, the Democratic Party had their "fracture" twenty to thirty years ago. Blue Dog vs. New Left. The result was five GOP presidencies in seven election cycles.
Blue Dogs have been largely wiped away - both because they are shrinking in number and because many just converted to the GOP - with a few exceptions (Donnelly, Manchin, and a few others).
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