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re: Why doesn't the GOP attempt to "fracture" the DEM party?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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we are united by our mutual hatred of the GOP
Truer words...
As in Animal Farm, you are kept together by mutual hatred of a defined entity. It is all that you have. And it works exceptionally well to maintain party discipline/purity.
Until you have complete power, and then you descend into chaos.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Democrats have done an amazing job of brainwashing their voting base to value party affiliation over ideas. That you can't make it in society without Democrats in charge.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:53 am to Wolfhound45
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Please take a moment to find any (any) MSM (less Fox News) that in any way is even remotely fair in their coverage of the Tea Party. I think that control of the message is not a Tea Party issue.
Well, if the tea party refuses to fight the battle to control its own imagine, why should people elect them?
I'm tired of this excuse. first, people and especially people who are likely to vote tea party watch fox news. Second, we are in a modern age in which young people dont watch news on tv anymore. or middle aged people for that matter. if the tea party wanted to, it could control its imagine on twitter or facebook or social media.
Third, its hard to control your imagine when your message is not unified. Tea Party comes off as wanting alot of different things as opposed to its original message of small government through constitutional controls.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:54 am to Hawkeye95
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that is just an excuse for not having a message that resonates.
No, it is not. They are not even given a chance to establish a message. The MSM controls the imagery and the narrative. Again, don't make an excuse, show me some form of MSM that has published positive content about them.
The reality is, you cannot.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:57 am to Wolfhound45
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As in Animal Farm
You do realize that Animal Farm was written not as a critique of leftist politics, but from the POV of a Trotsky Communist?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:57 am to Hawkeye95
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that is just an excuse for not having a message that resonates.
well when the liberal echo chamber that dominates the media de-legitimizes almost every legitimate conservative talking point, then you really can't blame the conservatives.
on occasion a media personality who isn't fully indoctrinated will point this out. the best, recent example is "paul ryan v. michelle obama" on bill maher's show.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:57 am to Chimlim
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Democrats have done an amazing job of brainwashing their voting base to value party affiliation over ideas
yeah they don't agree with you so they must have been brainwashed
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:58 am to petar
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Well, if the tea party refuses to fight the battle to control its own imagine, why should people elect them?
You are assuming that they are not fighting. I am demonstrating actual content.
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I'm tired of this excuse. first, people and especially people who are likely to vote tea party watch fox news. Second, we are in a modern age in which young people dont watch news on tv anymore. or middle aged people for that matter. if the tea party wanted to, it could control its imagine on twitter or facebook or social media.
It does - and that is the only MSM venue that they can get their message out on. And that is sad, because the other MSM venues are openly disdainful of them. It is not the message, it is the degree of confirmation bias in the MSM.
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Third, its hard to control your imagine when your message is not unified. Tea Party comes off as wanting alot of different things as opposed to its original message of small government through constitutional controls.
This I will agree with.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:59 am to CountryVolFan
Didn't you follow the Senatorial Primary in Mississippi.
We have two parties. The Democrat Party of the West and the Democrat Party (Republicans) of New York. They believe the same, just have different methods of controlling a constituency.
If anyone breaks randks that gang up and kick them out.
We have two parties. The Democrat Party of the West and the Democrat Party (Republicans) of New York. They believe the same, just have different methods of controlling a constituency.
If anyone breaks randks that gang up and kick them out.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well when the liberal echo chamber that dominates the media
there are plenty, and i mean PLENTY, of conservative media outlets. Outlets that have huge viewership/listenership/circulation and teeter on the edge of being outright propaganda as opposed to simply a news gathering organization first that happens to be run by liberals (and owned by conservatives, who could change the way things are presented at any time)
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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You do realize that Animal Farm was written not as a critique of leftist politics, but from the POV of a Trotsky Communist?
You do realize that this is a tired excuse for the truisms that are found in Animal Farm? That this is trotted out every time someone uses it as a legitimate criticism of statism/collectivism?
Have you honestly ever even read it? Because you embody it. Seriously.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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yeah they don't agree with you so they must have been brainwashed
we have 2 major political parties
one is having a schism over ideas
one is not
while "brainwash" may be a bit much, politics in the US TODAY clearly shows that one party favors party over ideas
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:01 pm to Wolfhound45
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No, it is not. They are not even given a chance to establish a message.
complete hogwash.
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The MSM controls the imagery and the narrative.
the big bad MSM is ruining me. Oh halp. Get real, this is just an excuse. quote:
Again, don't make an excuse, show me some form of MSM that has published positive content about them.
seriously? Fox news and WSJ have a conservative policy, CNBC has quite a few conservative commentators.
There are hundreds of websites that carry the conservative message.
And fox news is #1 in cable news. And WSJ has the highest circulation numbers.
Oh, you own the number one cable news channel and the number one newspaper, oh tell me how you get no coverage.
Excuses! The reason the message doesn't resonate is b.c the message sucks.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:02 pm to Wolfhound45
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You do realize that this is a tired excuse for the truisms that are found in Animal Farm?
it's not an excuse, it's just hilarious
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Because you embody it. Seriously.
you don't even know me
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:03 pm to CountryVolFan
The constituents of the democrats don't pay enough attention to realize that the majority of their interests are not served by the left. They vote after about 3 weeks of attention to the pending election.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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one is having a schism over ideas
one is not
we have a lot more differences than you think, but we keep it in house
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well when the liberal echo chamber that dominates the media de-legitimizes almost every legitimate conservative talking point, then you really can't blame the conservatives.
you actually believe it. Again, if samsung said it can't sell tablets b.c apple says their tablets suck. What would you say to them?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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one party favors party over ideas
And conversely, one party does an exceptional job of promoting the party in meaningful ways while the other party does a poor job of communicating their ideas.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:04 pm to Jake88
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The constituents of the democrats don't pay enough attention to realize that the majority of their interests are not served by the left.
that's true, but even less of them would be served by the right
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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there are plenty, and i mean PLENTY, of conservative media outlets.
that are still a minority and are constantly de-legitimized due to source (not content)
this isn't restricted to DEM-supporting media. there is some GOP-suporting media also, and it attempts to de-legitimize differences, even on the "right" (again, look at the schism in the GOP)
but DEM-supporting media still dominates the media (and academia, which creates a parasitic relationship based around legitimization)
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