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Question about the definition of 'person' for anti-choicers
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:49 am
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction. If that is actually possible for humans - it means every single oocyte in a woman's ovaries are human beings - (and not just a any human being, but a potential 2nd coming). Wouldn't that mean removal of the ovaries would constitute mass murder?
Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction. If that is actually possible for humans - it means every single oocyte in a woman's ovaries are human beings - (and not just a any human being, but a potential 2nd coming). Wouldn't that mean removal of the ovaries would constitute mass murder?
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:50 am to SpidermanTUba
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If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
another person is formed.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:55 am to SpidermanTUba
This is all called "science" and "biology" and, judging by your participation on this board, is obviously something that you are against.
The Abortion industry is as anti-science a movement as we have in American culture and that is obvious to anyone who has seen an ultrasound.
Why don't you push for outlawing abortion after 12 weeks at the very least? The science is clear. That is a human child.
The Abortion industry is as anti-science a movement as we have in American culture and that is obvious to anyone who has seen an ultrasound.
Why don't you push for outlawing abortion after 12 weeks at the very least? The science is clear. That is a human child.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:57 am to SpidermanTUba
Question for you - when does the embryo become a person?
On a side note, can you ever have an honest discussion with anyone? Are you so craving attention that you had to headline your post with "Anti Choicers?" Are you that needy?
On a side note, can you ever have an honest discussion with anyone? Are you so craving attention that you had to headline your post with "Anti Choicers?" Are you that needy?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:01 am to SpidermanTUba
Pregnancy begins at implantation, not conception. A zygote cannot ever become a fetus if it doesn't implant somewhere. This is an area where some religious ideas about pregnancy and medicine which are just blatantly false.
Beyond that, it's a lot of personal beliefs on the matter.
Beyond that, it's a lot of personal beliefs on the matter.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:07 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
Both.
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Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
Yes, and yes.
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Wouldn't that mean removal of the ovaries would constitute mass murder?
No.
This shite is really not that complicated. Abortion is always wrong. However whenever a morally wrong act is being conducted to avoid another moral act the principle of double effect applies. Ectopic pregnancy is a good example of a situation where the principle of double effect applies.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:10 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:That would leave Jesus as son of Mary, but not God. Perhaps still the stuff of miracles, just not the miracle in question. In the end, it is a matter of faith to which science has little offering.
EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:15 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:You probably should stick with Astrophysics . . . . your area of "expertise."
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join
The word you were looking for was "egg", not embryo.
Insofar as the egg and sperm become a 'person', that was exactly your origin. Had that embryo not implanted, you'd not exist.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:16 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
They accidentally their whole twin. That's all it means.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:00 pm to SpidermanTUba
Your questions are not very good sir.
You answered it.
This one is just just um go...
You got a question above 3rd grade level?
I'm above 5th grade for reference.
quote:
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
You answered it.
quote:
Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
This one is just just um go...
You got a question above 3rd grade level?
I'm above 5th grade for reference.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Someone was watching "House".
the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Why do you have to hide behind the word "Choice"?
The word Abortion too gruesome?
The word Abortion too gruesome?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
Ahh pro-choice...
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:33 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
As the father of identical twins, you don't think we've had this discussion? At one point they were the same person. That's a scientific fact.
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Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually)
Identical twins can disappear, too - it's called vanishing twin syndrome - the twin that disappears dies, technically a miscarriage.
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EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction. If that is actually possible for humans - it means every single oocyte in a woman's ovaries are human beings - (and not just a any human being, but a potential 2nd coming). Wouldn't that mean removal of the ovaries would constitute mass murder?
You an an inveterate troll and I am going to cease attempting to have a reasonable debate with you - you flame on instinct. Instead of wanting to actually have a debate on a serious subject (the nature of human life, humanity, etc.) - you start flaming in the OP.
Good day sir.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:26 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?
Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?
EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction. If that is actually possible for humans - it means every single oocyte in a woman's ovaries are human beings - (and not just a any human being, but a potential 2nd coming). Wouldn't that mean removal of the ovaries would constitute mass murder?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:40 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Question about the definition of 'person' for anti-choicers
Oh look, another abortionist is making it about semantics to avoid facing the reality that they advocate for the right of one human being to destroy another for reasons such as "I can't afford a baby", and "But I don't even love the guy that I let impregnate me".
Do you never look in the mirror and question what makes you go to bat so hard for something like abortion?
The thing that's so distasteful it's considered beyond the pale to present unaltered photographic evidence of it, yet it seems you think it a hill worth dying on.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 1:52 pm
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