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re: East Ascension head baseball coach resigns.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 1:47 pm to BigEdLSU
Posted on 6/18/14 at 1:47 pm to BigEdLSU
You are comparing 2 different things in this thread. It was started about the baseball coach and why he left, and you turned it into AAU basketball. So that may be why you aren't understanding some of the points trying to be conveyed. Without speaking to the coach directly, here is my take based on what I've read and seen myself. Parents pay X amount of dollars to play "travel baseball". For some reason, this gives them a sense of entitlement. And the more they pay, the better they feel their kid is. Travel ball is over and it is time to play your HS schedule. Either little Johnny doesn't make the team at all, or heaven forbid that "rec league kid" is getting more playing time. The parents then approach the coach about it. Instead of saying, "What can we work on for Johnny to see the field more?, it's "My son has played travel ball for 3 years now, he is obviously better than the kids who didn't, so you need to play him more or we will pull him off the team!". Meanwhile the coach is working hard to evaluate all players and play the most deserving, regardless of their summer ball affiliation. At some point the coach gets tired of hearing people tell him how to do his job and tells them to shove it. I can't tell you how many people have asked me why I haven't put my kid on a "travel team". "Aren't you worried he won't make the HS team?" He's in 3rd grade, no, I am not worried about his HS baseball career at this point. I'm worried about him keeping his butt down on ground balls and learning his multiplication facts. Kids need to be kids. I don't know why so many parents are trying to rush them through their childhood. He doesn't need to be at practice every day. He needs to be chasing frogs not trophies.
This section from that article says a lot..."Nowadays people come into your program from travel ball," he said. "They need to take control. It's just not healthy ... It's a very different deal."
This section from that article says a lot..."Nowadays people come into your program from travel ball," he said. "They need to take control. It's just not healthy ... It's a very different deal."
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 1:55 pm to WFTiger
I'd be embarrassing the shite out of the kids if I moaned about pt.
Guess I just don't see that side of things.
Guess I just don't see that side of things.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:04 pm to BigEdLSU
They don't just moan about it. They usually go to the principal and administrator and declare how much they contribute to the program and that they can take that contribution somewhere else..
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:08 pm to lsufan60
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They don't just moan about it. They usually go to the principal and administrator and declare how much they contribute to the program and that they can take that contribution somewhere else..
this parental behavior has been going on since way before travel ball, which has nothing to do with shitty parents trying to control HS coaches. Most coaches don't tolerate it. Sadly, some have to deal with admins who cater to such parents. But again, this is nothing new to travel ball.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:10 pm to lsufan60
That's pretty assinine. Turning sports into politics 
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:20 pm to supatigah
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1) parents invest so much time, money and effort into their kids athletic development that it creates in them a wildly unsustainable level of expectations for the kid and the HS coach to live up to 2) HS sports are such a huge business and under so much scrutiny from all angles that coaches are forced to spend 10 months out of the year working with their team and so the burnout rate is very high 3) some parents dont have a sense of boundaries any more and think nothing of confronting a coach in a very inappropriate manner. if they dont get what they want they have no problem confronting administrators and raising all kind of hell 4) the information age has made everyone an expert with the confidence in their expertise to exert their will on others
Kids specializing in activities (sports, dance, music) has been going on for the past 20 years, and it is not limited to travel baseball. Parents behaving like asses have been going on way before all of this.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:21 pm to Stevo
i never once mentioned travel baseball in anything i wrote
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:22 pm to Stevo
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this parental behavior has been going on since way before travel ball, which has nothing to do with shitty parents trying to control HS coaches. Most coaches don't tolerate it. Sadly, some have to deal with admins who cater to such parents. But again, this is nothing new to travel ball.
cost one of the best teams LA ever put on the field a state title....many years ago...
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:24 pm to BigEdLSU
what supertigah, stevo and wftiger said...
and... it's not just baseball its the rise of "elite" sports and academies and lessons.. people think if their kid is spending 20 hours a week on "lessons" and they are paying $$$ a week on lessons..
and lesson guy says kid should be starting.... kid should be starting.....
never mind the other kids may be working just as hard or harder.... or may just be better..
and... it's not just baseball its the rise of "elite" sports and academies and lessons.. people think if their kid is spending 20 hours a week on "lessons" and they are paying $$$ a week on lessons..
and lesson guy says kid should be starting.... kid should be starting.....
never mind the other kids may be working just as hard or harder.... or may just be better..
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:34 pm to Stevo
You're right, it's not new, just much worse. I'm amazed at some of the things I see and hear at the ballpark these days. Some of these kids are being brain washed into thinking they are something that they aren't, and then they can't handle rejection(aka the truth). They don't understand that they are on a team made up of kids who tried out whose parents CAN AFFORD to pay for it. The parents also don't understand this. Other kids are busting their butts just as hard, just not with matching bat bags and staying in hotel rooms every other weekend. You will always have the bad apples no matter what, but this subculture of baseball is an animal of it's own.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:44 pm to WFTiger
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You're right, it's not new, just much worse. I'm amazed at some of the things I see and hear at the ballpark these days. Some of these kids are being brain washed into thinking they are something that they aren't, and then they can't handle rejection(aka the truth). They don't understand that they are on a team made up of kids who tried out whose parents CAN AFFORD to pay for it. The parents also don't understand this. Other kids are busting their butts just as hard, just not with matching bat bags and staying in hotel rooms every other weekend. You will always have the bad apples no matter what, but this subculture of baseball is an animal of it's own.
I can't really comment as to whether it's worse now or not, but it's not unique to baseball. Coaches/instructors in other activities also have to put up with it. The thing is, kids are born with whatever talent they're going to have. The specialized training they get in sports/music/arts better develops whatever talent they were born with, but at what price? It's just our culture for the past 20 years. Unless your child is a prodigy at his/her favored activity, specialization is a fact of like to participate in high school or beyond.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:47 pm to choupiquesushi
Exactly...I've seen grown women lose their minds b/c Sally didn't make varsity cheerleader. People are making great livings off of self righteous parents.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:51 pm to WFTiger
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People are making great livings off of self righteous parents.
you're blaming the instructors for the poor behavior of parents?
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:59 pm to Stevo
whatever happened to the days when coaches told kids and parents they were not good enough to make the team?
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 2:59 pm to Stevo
Its a sales tactic. If I tell you lil johnny is the next babe Ruth, and I can train him like no other, I'm more likely to get you to buy my program.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:02 pm to BigEdLSU
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Its a sales tactic. If I tell you lil johnny is the next babe Ruth, and I can train him like no other, I'm more likely to get you to buy my program.
I'm sure that happens, but there's lots of legitimate coaches/instructors who can develop talent in sports/music/arts, whatever.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:02 pm to WFTiger
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WFTiger
That post should be published.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:10 pm to Choupique19
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Coach Almond is 100X the coach any of these AAU yahoos are
I remember playing against him in the late 90's when he was at Woodlawn. He was always super nice to me and always complimented me after games even as an opponent. I dont really keep up with HS sports, but glad to see he is still around coaching.
They always owned our asses too. Hahah.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:16 pm to WFTiger
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subculture of baseball is an animal of it's own.
it is every competitive youth endeavour.......
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:30 pm to Stevo
No, I was just pointing out that they are taking advantage of it. The blame falls on the parents.
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