re: Siap, McShay and Hoge discuss Mettenberger...

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Posted by Message TheriotAF Siap, McShay and Hoge discuss Mettenberger... I just find it funny how angry/annoyed mcshay seems to get while hoge is just complimenting mett saying he is more nfl ready than manziel in one certain area.

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Lol! McShay was pissed. I wish that segment was longer so both Hoge and McShay could argue their pov. I know that Mett isn't very mobile but he has the tools to be a successful QB. Bridgewater was my favorite going into the draft but it now appears that he might not have a strong enough arm or his hands are to small to properly push the ball down the field. Bottom line, you have to be able to make almost all the throws or the NFL defenses will expose you. Mett can do that. And if he can learn to read the defenses effectively, it will makeup for his lack of mobility.

Clowney isnt all he's cracked up to be, definitely not a #1 overall.
Manziel is the wild card, could be great could be a bust.

Mett and Bortles are IMO the two best nfl prospects.

Because comparing Mett to arguably the greatest QB in NFL history makes an ounce of sense.

Mcshay actually made a good point in that video. OBJ and Juice saved Metts career. I'd also add in the fact that having an explosive running game helped him out greatly.

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Yeah I'm sure y'all know so much more than these guys.. what idiots.

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You do know all these draft player rankings and mocks are just speculation? All of the "expert draft analysis" have completely different lists. Some have Mett as a top 5 QB. Some have him a top 3 QB. Some have him between 7-10. Its all speculation.

Nobody is a "draft expert". If someone was, they wouldnt have nearly as many screw ups on their lists as they do, and most likely would be a GM of a team.

Mel Kiper compared JaMarcus to John Elway. He also said Ricky Stanzi would end up being the best QB in the 2011 draft, and that Mike Williams (USC) would be a Hall of Famer WR and was the best player in the 2005 draft. McShay said Blaine Gabbert would be a better pro player than Cam Newton and should be the #1 QB taken. He also had Mark Sanchez ahead of Stafford.

Point is, nobody knows who will do what at the next level. Its easy to predict that a guy like Andrew Luck is going to go #1 overall and be great at the next level. And that Clowney is an elite prospect. Those are givens. But when there isnt a clear cut top QB prospect, its tough. These "experts" opinion on Mett vary from a late 1st round to a 4th round pick. Thats not really telling me anything that I dont already know.

Its all a crapshoot. Am I saying I know more than these guys do? Nope. But they dont know that much more than some people that pay attention to this kinda stuff. Its pretty much a 50/50 guess.

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Well I dont see how any sane person could have Manziel or Bridgewater going in the 1st round either. None of these guys are 1st round NFL QBs.

Out of the top 3 QBs, Bortles translates the best to the NFL. Is he gonna be great? No. But I think hes a safer pick than Manziel and will be better than Bridgewater.

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Disagree, Bridgewater is the most pro ready of the top QBs in this draft. He's had a bad stretch since his pro day. I actually think him sliding to the back half of the 1st Rd might be a good thing for him.

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Thats the thing with this QB draft class though. All these "experts" act like Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel are the clear cut top 3 QBs. But based on what I have seen these guys do in college and at combine / pro day, I cant confidently say those guys will be better in the NFL than QBs like Mett, McCarron, Carr, etc.

Manziel is the most electrifying, but comes with a lot of questions about how he translates to the NFL. Bortles has the size, arm, tape, attitude, etc to be an NFL QB, but played against bad competition in college so his tape could be a bit misleading. And Bridgewater was the top guy a few months ago, but was bad at his pro day and he doesnt have the potential to be a great NFL QB. Could be a solid QB, like an Andy Dalton, but he wont be an elite NFL QB.

In 5 years from now, any of those guys could end up being the best QB in this class, and the top 3 guys could be out of the league. Mett and Carr have as high a ceiling as any QB in this draft class.

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I like Aaron Murray & Derek Carr out of all the guys in this draft.

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You do know all these draft player rankings and mocks are just speculation? All of the "expert draft analysis" have completely different lists. Some have Mett as a top 5 QB. Some have him a top 3 QB. Some have him between 7-10. Its all speculation.

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Exactly. No one could ever accurately predict the draft. Every year guys go higher than projected, while others guys fall. Sometimes a team really wants to take a particular QB in the first round. If they aren't available they might pick up a tackle, and wait to see if value pick QB is available in another round.

Sometimes a guy might be the best overall rated guy at his position, but his style doesn't fit the scheme which allows him to get passed over for another guy.

Some teams aren't will to take risks on guys with various red flags.

Most drafts predictions try and look at team needs versus best player available, and then each pick falls into order as different guys come off the board. The draft is fluid, so a team comes in with an unexpected pick, and it could drastically change what other teams choose to do.

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Nobody is a "draft expert". If someone was, they wouldnt have nearly as many screw ups on their lists as they do, and most likely would be a GM of a team

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John Hollinger is the perfect example of this, although the NBA equivalent.

I don't think you can compare the two coming out of college. Brady was a QB who was benched numerous times for the prototypical QB Drew Henson. Time and time again he had to come in late in the game and engineer drives for UM to win. I'd say he was asked to do more.


Again, I'll mention the fact that OBJ,Juice & a explosive running game helped ZM8 out a ton this year.

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Mett is the traditional stereotype for an NFL pocket passer, and he gets labeled 4th Round.
Manziel gets shite one by LSU twice, scrambles around and throws up prayers vs Bama, and boom... #1 overall option.

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Boom or bust type of talent. Similar to the likes of Vince Young. His size isn't coming into question this year because of the success of QBs like Brees & Wilson.

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Manziel is your typical boom or bust guy. If he can do what he did at TAMU in the NFL, he will be great. If not, hes going to struggle.

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I love that in most of the pieces on ESPN about Manziel, videos of LSU litter his negatives.