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re: The second pirogue build is on
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:18 pm to fishfighter
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:18 pm to fishfighter
Thanks....
Was in a spot pretty much paddle boat only...
Hadn't fished it in years....
Carrolton gauge was right gave it a whirl
Bout an hour got 5 good ones and one too big to deal with with a pup in a pirogue
With a wooden one you can get right on top of them....
Was in a spot pretty much paddle boat only...
Hadn't fished it in years....
Carrolton gauge was right gave it a whirl
Bout an hour got 5 good ones and one too big to deal with with a pup in a pirogue
With a wooden one you can get right on top of them....
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:29 pm to choupiquesushi
Hey Chopique, Why did you paint the battens and ribs back instead of green like the rest of the boat?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:06 pm to eng08
Actually rest of boat is more of a dead grass tan..
But I did that to break up outline
Helps break up shape of boat from above
But I did that to break up outline
Helps break up shape of boat from above
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:01 pm to choupiquesushi
Fish
Been waiting to see if you received the check. Happy it made it.
What you provided to me and others is priceless - there aren't many folks like you out there any more.
Take care and if I'm ever even close I'm stopping by.
Best regards
Hank
Been waiting to see if you received the check. Happy it made it.
What you provided to me and others is priceless - there aren't many folks like you out there any more.
Take care and if I'm ever even close I'm stopping by.
Best regards
Hank
Posted on 8/11/14 at 11:13 am to mallardhank
Thanks Hank. had forgot your users name here. 
Call me when you get started if you need any help.
Call me when you get started if you need any help.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:07 am to choupiquesushi
quote:
my pirogue
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:04 pm to fishfighter
I really wish I was out there so I could so this with you guys, everything looks very cool!
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:07 am to lsu480
OK guys, I'm going to start building a pirogue today. I going to raffle this one off to raise some moneys for my brother. Things are not looking all that good for him now. A little over 4 years ago, he had to have his left lung removed due to cancer. He was clean till about 5 months ago. Well it's back, but this time is has spread all over. He has been getting 4 different chemo treatments, but now his blood count is way to low for anymore treatments. This is the second time in the last month they had to stop treatments.
He is a fighter and it is killing him not being able to work. He is hard headed like me.
I will post up pictures as I build. This one will be nail free and I will be doing a couple things different this time.
He is a fighter and it is killing him not being able to work. He is hard headed like me.
I will post up pictures as I build. This one will be nail free and I will be doing a couple things different this time.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:07 pm to fishfighter
Started things this morning.
This is going to be a 13'6" pirogue with 9 1/2" sides.
Bow stem area marked out on one end.
Measured 13' 6" from the tip. Squared and marked the other bow stem as the same.
At the splice of both pieces, that is going to be the widest point in the bottom which will be 27". To help with the rake and flair, a straight line is drawn from the marks of the bottom of the bow stems. At the joint, I mark up 3" at the bottom straight line. From there, I stand a 1"x1.5"x 16'on it's side. Blocking each end at were the bottom of the bow stems are, I bend the 1" by up to the 3" I marked. You will have a arch, marked it from bow stem to bow stem.
Next, I cut those sections out. Then flip them over and trace them to the other side of the plywood. NOTE* one section will be 8' long, make sure to trace on the same piece of plywood that you had cut the first 8' section off of.
Repeat for the other end.
That center section of plywood will be used for your bottom. The 8' piece will go to the 8' section of the sides.
Next what I did was to save time later. I filled in all bad spots of the "C" grade with plastic wood putty. Then I sanded it down as needed.
It was time to join the two side pieces together. This time, I used a piece of 3/4" a/c fir plywood that I had cut to 4" x 8". The sides are going to be 9 1/2". The 4" wide part will be flush with the top of the sides, leaving 1 1/2" to place your batten later. Mark a line down the center of the 4"x8". This will help keeping things clean when gluing.
More to come.
This is going to be a 13'6" pirogue with 9 1/2" sides.
Bow stem area marked out on one end.
Measured 13' 6" from the tip. Squared and marked the other bow stem as the same.
At the splice of both pieces, that is going to be the widest point in the bottom which will be 27". To help with the rake and flair, a straight line is drawn from the marks of the bottom of the bow stems. At the joint, I mark up 3" at the bottom straight line. From there, I stand a 1"x1.5"x 16'on it's side. Blocking each end at were the bottom of the bow stems are, I bend the 1" by up to the 3" I marked. You will have a arch, marked it from bow stem to bow stem.
Next, I cut those sections out. Then flip them over and trace them to the other side of the plywood. NOTE* one section will be 8' long, make sure to trace on the same piece of plywood that you had cut the first 8' section off of.
Repeat for the other end.
That center section of plywood will be used for your bottom. The 8' piece will go to the 8' section of the sides.
Next what I did was to save time later. I filled in all bad spots of the "C" grade with plastic wood putty. Then I sanded it down as needed.
It was time to join the two side pieces together. This time, I used a piece of 3/4" a/c fir plywood that I had cut to 4" x 8". The sides are going to be 9 1/2". The 4" wide part will be flush with the top of the sides, leaving 1 1/2" to place your batten later. Mark a line down the center of the 4"x8". This will help keeping things clean when gluing.
More to come.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:04 pm to fishfighter
Puter was giving me trouble.
Anyway, here is some more.
Not using nails, I will be depending on the glue to hold everything together.
I'm using 1" long sheet rock screws, 1/4" nuts and 1/4"x 1 1/2" finder washers along with some other smaller washers.
Mixing a small batch of glue, I had applied it to one half of the 4"x8" plywood. Then I screwed it down in place. Added a few more screws and then glued and screw the other side in place.
NOTE* Make sure you are joining a long section with a short section that has been cut from the same side!
I'm not going to tell.
Then do the other side.
Time to add a bow stem. Glue and screw. Then add the other bow stem to the other side.
Next, gluing the other side to the bow stem.
Note*! Make sure the TOP of the other side is lined up with the side that is already glued and screwed! You will need to spread the other side out 7'-9'. Once you have that together, cut yourself a piece of scrap 1"x2" to 26" long. Put that at the joint. Put the other two sides together and glue and screw.
This picture was taken after both sides were join to the bow stem and the pirogue was flipped and put on saw horses.
Notice The scrap lumber. It is NOT nailed in place, but I will once the glue sets up and getting ready to install the battens.
Maybe more work on it after the glue sets up later.
Anyway, here is some more.
Not using nails, I will be depending on the glue to hold everything together.
I'm using 1" long sheet rock screws, 1/4" nuts and 1/4"x 1 1/2" finder washers along with some other smaller washers.
Mixing a small batch of glue, I had applied it to one half of the 4"x8" plywood. Then I screwed it down in place. Added a few more screws and then glued and screw the other side in place.
NOTE* Make sure you are joining a long section with a short section that has been cut from the same side!
I'm not going to tell. Then do the other side.
Time to add a bow stem. Glue and screw. Then add the other bow stem to the other side.
Next, gluing the other side to the bow stem.
Note*! Make sure the TOP of the other side is lined up with the side that is already glued and screwed! You will need to spread the other side out 7'-9'. Once you have that together, cut yourself a piece of scrap 1"x2" to 26" long. Put that at the joint. Put the other two sides together and glue and screw.
This picture was taken after both sides were join to the bow stem and the pirogue was flipped and put on saw horses.
Notice The scrap lumber. It is NOT nailed in place, but I will once the glue sets up and getting ready to install the battens.
Maybe more work on it after the glue sets up later.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:34 pm to fishfighter
Looking good!
Ready to see the finished product! Really wish I could attend the next build, but this fall is so booked up for me.... Too many friends getting married
Ready to see the finished product! Really wish I could attend the next build, but this fall is so booked up for me.... Too many friends getting married
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:28 pm to bootlegger
quote:
Really wish I could attend the next build
I'm still hoping for that, but nobody is stepping up for a date.
Got back on it and got a little progress. Things are kind of urgent. I'm really pushing myself to get this done ASAP.
Got the batten cut. This was a 16', #1 stock of fir 1"x4"x16'. I passed it on a table saw, setting the blade at 20 degrees. Before splitting it center, I had cut it at 14'6".
That 20 degree high point will go to the inside. I will get more pictures to show what is what when it comes to the battens installed.
From that point, I took a scrap piece of 1"x2" that was about 16" long and I adjusted the cut to fit inside to the bow stem. Transferred that to one end of the batten, cut. Then measured the inside for bow stem to bow stem. That was 146 3/4". Another scrap 1 by, cut to angle and transferred to the batten.
NOTE*! Cut it long and recut a few times. Have the boat up side down when installing battens. You have to feed them from inside. I will get a picture of this process tomorrow installing the other side. Many wood clamps are used at this point! This takes a cut ,try, fit and recut, ect.
Battens will start shaping the boat for the rake on the bottom.
This is with only one batten glued and screwed with the other side in place being held by a few clamps.
I will keep adding on this post tomorrow.
I will keep posting on this post that way everything will be together.
As posted above about installing a batten. Once cut to size, you feed it down and put the other end to the bow stem. Once you start pulling it to the side, bending it, you have to play with both ends to get it to fit in place. I use one clamp at the splice loose there till I get it in place.
Notice that the 20 degree angle is going to the inside of the boat.
Big NOTE* that I didn't add before!
That scrap 1x2 is set to the back side of the plywood splice, held in with a small finishing nail. Also it is set about 2" from the bottom of the boat. This piece will be removed in time.
Once you get both battens glued and screwed in place, it's time to start adjusting the bottom width. You can adjust that anywhere from 25" to 27" at the widest point which should be at the splice.
Towards the other end about 1/3 from the bow stem, I use a small rope or string to pull that side in some. About 2". It's a adjustment game at this point to were you adjust that to what you like.
Got some more work done.
Time to cut the extra on the bow stem bottom. Just draw a line even with the bottom of the plywood side. I use a circle saw to cut this, but it has to be even across. You can use a hand saw too!
At this point, it's time to start planning. You want to plane enough just to set the bottom ribs in. Using a flat edge length wise and across, cut everything flat. I have a good board that I use, but a long level works great.
Time to install the 3/4 piece of plywood for the bottom splice. Mark on the batten to were each side splice is. Lay your splice piece across. Mark from under along the batten to the 3/4" plywood. Do both sides. I use a circle saw to cut this. So what I do is set the saw on the batten and adjust the angle to the inside of the batten. From there, I flip the splice piece and add about 1/2" to the outside of the line that was marked before. When you cut, make sure you are cutting the right angle. Both side are the same, but you have to cut from the opposite side. Once cut, dry fit. Adjust, cut as needed.
Any holidays, prefill them with wood putty.
To install, the plane area must be flat across. The splice piece must be flush with the bottom of the battens. I use (2) # 12, 2" long screws per side. Use brass. I didn't have any and didn't feel like running to town. I will swap them later when I get some. Dry fit and predrill one hole on each side. countersink hole too!
To help pull things in, rig up something like this. Adjust as needed.
This is what you should have.
Plane, eye the bottom from one end to the other. Take out all dips and adjust as needed.
Then start adding bottoms ribs. 18" to 22" apart. Dry fit, predrill, glue and screw.
NOTE!* Make sure that the top of each rib is flush with the top of the battens. They should extend a little out the bottom that will need to be plane down.
And now, this is were I'm at. I'm dragging and yes, the heat kicked my butt.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:52 pm to fishfighter
Fish,
How y'all plan on raffling that thing off, I would like to purchase some tickets and could probably sell a few books too?
How y'all plan on raffling that thing off, I would like to purchase some tickets and could probably sell a few books too?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:11 pm to Tigerpaw123
I so thoroughly enjoy this thread. I want to build one. I want to buy tickets. Keep up the great work Fish
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:15 pm to Tigerpaw123
This will be first prize. Second place will be a one on one pirogue build and I will supply everything with room and boarding, food and drinks for the weekend at my house. And third prize will be that short party/tail gating pirogue I built a few months back.
I guess I will try to sell 1k of tickets at $5 a pop. I'm hoping to get everything in place by mid September to have the drawing before teal season.
My brother has so much on his mine and whatever I can do, I will do to ease him of any pain . I'm praying he makes his 61 birthday Dec 24. It shock me yesterday when I went to see him and it wasn't good. After talking to his wife, SIL, I found out that they burnt all there savings due to him not being able to work. He has been hiding this from our family. I emptied my checking acc for him and hope to help him more.
What ever it takes, I will make it happen.
More work done today.
At this point, it's time to eye the bottom. When I said "eye", I'm looking at the batten line making sure I have a smooth running line. If not, I will plane down more after marking with a straight edge. I find it best to use a wooden yard stick. Any adjustments will come from the splice and out from there. Mark all ribs across and plane down as needed.
I use 3/4" plywood blocks up under the seats. The first seat will be split above the splice. My blocks are two different sizes. The one over the splice is the same width as the splice. Height is 3 1/2" from the top of the batten. Top and bottom is cut at 20 degrees. The second piece top part is cut at 20 degrees, but the bottom is straight 90. That will fit right on top of the batten.
Repeat the same for the other side. Then glue and clamp.
The other seat, I just eye were it will go to balance when two people are on board.
Plywood blocks, 31/2" tall and 10" wide. The bottom of them will be 90 degrees, but the tops will be 18 degrees.
Make sure that they are even when installing them. Measure from the bottom splice to do that. Glue them in place, clamp.
NOTE!* Always block with scrap wood when clamping!
Cutting the seats! I use a circle saw for this. Using 1"x6" #1 pine for the seats.
The splice joint seat, I measure for one side of the splice towards the center of the boat, across to the other side. Then measure 5 1/2" towards the center of the boat on the side and then make another measure across at that point. The widest point, I will mark that on my board. I then split that in half and draw a straight line across. That is center! The shorter measurement, I divide that in half and split that in half for the other side of the board. That gets your side angle. To get the other angle to match the side, I just set my circle saw on top of the side and adjust to blade to that.
The other piece, just repeat. Same goes for the other seat.
Using #6, 1 1/2" brass screws, glue and screw.
After that, cut the top sides of the bow stems like I did on the bottom of them.
Update 8
Time to cut the bottom sheets. Long side cut to long bottom. Line the wide in even with the spliced sides. Put a temp nail or screw on one side, line out the out side, temp nail or screw. Then put a temp nail or screw into the bow stem.
Then take the other sheet of plywood, butt it at the splice and repeat temp nailing/screw.
You should have something like this.
Trace the bottom using the side all the way around. Then remove nails or screws and flip over.
Should have this.
Time to cut. NOTE!* When cutting, cut NO LESS then 1/2" outside the line. Always start at the widest part of the plywood. Set the saw blade to about 1" deep to cut.
Should have this.
Once I got them cut out, I filled everything in with putty. Let it cure and sand.
Time to go back and address everything to make sure that the plywood bottom will rest flush on the battens/sides.
Time to glue and screw or nail.
NOTE! Start at the splice. Draw a line across it and only apply glue to the side you are installing. Apply glue to everything the bottom will come into contact.
Note! If nailing, back up the splice and ribs. I use a piece of 2x4 that reaches the ground under the ribs to nail.
NOTE! Once started nailing, start at the splice, then nail 5-6 on one side and then do 5-6 to the other side. Work your way towards the bow back in forth. Space nails about 6" apart.
This is the glue I'm using. I mix it to a runny peanut butter.
I did start installing plugs into all the screw holes that are on the sides.
I didn't have enough washers and nuts to install the second half of the bottom. I'm just waiting for the glue to cure before removing from the other side.
I guess I will try to sell 1k of tickets at $5 a pop. I'm hoping to get everything in place by mid September to have the drawing before teal season.
My brother has so much on his mine and whatever I can do, I will do to ease him of any pain . I'm praying he makes his 61 birthday Dec 24. It shock me yesterday when I went to see him and it wasn't good. After talking to his wife, SIL, I found out that they burnt all there savings due to him not being able to work. He has been hiding this from our family.
I emptied my checking acc for him and hope to help him more. What ever it takes, I will make it happen.
More work done today.
At this point, it's time to eye the bottom. When I said "eye", I'm looking at the batten line making sure I have a smooth running line. If not, I will plane down more after marking with a straight edge. I find it best to use a wooden yard stick. Any adjustments will come from the splice and out from there. Mark all ribs across and plane down as needed.
I use 3/4" plywood blocks up under the seats. The first seat will be split above the splice. My blocks are two different sizes. The one over the splice is the same width as the splice. Height is 3 1/2" from the top of the batten. Top and bottom is cut at 20 degrees. The second piece top part is cut at 20 degrees, but the bottom is straight 90. That will fit right on top of the batten.
Repeat the same for the other side. Then glue and clamp.
The other seat, I just eye were it will go to balance when two people are on board.
Plywood blocks, 31/2" tall and 10" wide. The bottom of them will be 90 degrees, but the tops will be 18 degrees.
Make sure that they are even when installing them. Measure from the bottom splice to do that. Glue them in place, clamp.
NOTE!* Always block with scrap wood when clamping!
Cutting the seats! I use a circle saw for this. Using 1"x6" #1 pine for the seats.
The splice joint seat, I measure for one side of the splice towards the center of the boat, across to the other side. Then measure 5 1/2" towards the center of the boat on the side and then make another measure across at that point. The widest point, I will mark that on my board. I then split that in half and draw a straight line across. That is center! The shorter measurement, I divide that in half and split that in half for the other side of the board. That gets your side angle. To get the other angle to match the side, I just set my circle saw on top of the side and adjust to blade to that.
The other piece, just repeat. Same goes for the other seat.
Using #6, 1 1/2" brass screws, glue and screw.
After that, cut the top sides of the bow stems like I did on the bottom of them.
Update 8
Time to cut the bottom sheets. Long side cut to long bottom. Line the wide in even with the spliced sides. Put a temp nail or screw on one side, line out the out side, temp nail or screw. Then put a temp nail or screw into the bow stem.
Then take the other sheet of plywood, butt it at the splice and repeat temp nailing/screw.
You should have something like this.
Trace the bottom using the side all the way around. Then remove nails or screws and flip over.
Should have this.
Time to cut. NOTE!* When cutting, cut NO LESS then 1/2" outside the line. Always start at the widest part of the plywood. Set the saw blade to about 1" deep to cut.
Should have this.
Once I got them cut out, I filled everything in with putty. Let it cure and sand.
Time to go back and address everything to make sure that the plywood bottom will rest flush on the battens/sides.
Time to glue and screw or nail.
NOTE! Start at the splice. Draw a line across it and only apply glue to the side you are installing. Apply glue to everything the bottom will come into contact.
Note! If nailing, back up the splice and ribs. I use a piece of 2x4 that reaches the ground under the ribs to nail.
NOTE! Once started nailing, start at the splice, then nail 5-6 on one side and then do 5-6 to the other side. Work your way towards the bow back in forth. Space nails about 6" apart.
This is the glue I'm using. I mix it to a runny peanut butter.
I did start installing plugs into all the screw holes that are on the sides.
I didn't have enough washers and nuts to install the second half of the bottom. I'm just waiting for the glue to cure before removing from the other side.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:18 pm to fishfighter
Put me down for $100 worth of tickets and I can sell plenty as well
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:21 pm to Tigerpaw123
Same here
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:25 pm to bossflossjr
Thanks guys. 
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:33 pm to fishfighter
I'm in for some tickets...let me know how I can help...
...at least if I win second place(actually hoping I do) I won't tear up your yard...
...at least if I win second place(actually hoping I do) I won't tear up your yard...
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:24 pm to Pepperidge
If I win I want a lesson on proper Hammer usage! I'm in to help let me know what I can do.
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