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re: Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:36 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:36 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Bundy actually owns water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM.
But he doesn't this has already been struck down in court.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:45 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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The energy company needs the cattle gone for their project to move forward. This isn't about turtles, it's about a lot of money.
BLM has admitted they need the cattle gone for the energy project to proceed.
That's not correct.
The land for the energy company has already been sold. It was the land set aside for the tortoise.
After selling the land, the have to move the tortoise habitat to the grazing lands. That is the hang up.
From my understanding.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:50 pm to theenemy
quote:Has it?
But he doesn't this has already been struck down in court.
Or is it simply that his claim as to amount, recipient and contingencies of some of the payments has been "struck down"
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:50 pm to theenemy
The land for the energy company has already been sold. It was the land set aside for the tortoise
Then give it back and give them their money back and leave the tortoise alone.
Then give it back and give them their money back and leave the tortoise alone.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:51 pm to NC_Tigah
The court ordered the BLM to confiscate and sell his cows. What does that tell you?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:52 pm to theenemy
quote:
That's not correct.
The land for the energy company has already been sold. It was the land set aside for the tortoise.
After selling the land, the have to move the tortoise habitat to the grazing lands. That is the hang up.
From my understanding.
I'd suggest watching the movie that your avi is taken from.. I've interacted with you a few times on here and it's funny that you take the word of the the mainstream as truth, yet the movie your avi is from is about social engineering through media.
BLM admitted on their website that the energy project could not proceed until the cattle were gone. What about that is not being understood?
The turtles are just paws in this, they mean nothing. They're trying to make it seem like this is about the turtles by shuffling things around.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:53 pm to theenemy
quote:We are talking about an overall area half the size of the state of Delaware. You think the turtles had to be moved to Bundy's grazing lands?
After selling the land, the have to move the tortoise habitat to the grazing lands. That is the hang up.
From my understanding.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:54 pm to Sleeping Tiger
So the energy project is being built on land that is critical to the desert tortoise?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:56 pm to Phideaux
yes
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:58 pm to themunch
I keep misreading the title as Bunny Ranch 
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:58 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Has it?
Or is it simply that his claim as to amount, recipient and contingencies of some of the payments has been "struck down"
I believe it was ruled that he did not have any rights to those lands and that the lands were owned solely by the US government.
Due to this his cows were ordered to be removed from that land.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:00 pm to Phideaux
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So the energy project is being built on land that is critical to the desert tortoise?
Damn, liberals might have a big problem with this, I guess that's why they so hard after the ranchers, and made them look so evil, damn shell game(no pun) going on here...
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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You think the turtles had to be moved to Bundy's grazing lands?
No, they just had to be moved.
When Bundy quit paying his grazing rights that land became unused in the eyes of the government.
Which brings me back to my original question:
By not paying grazing rights, what gives Bundy the right to deny the US gov't the use of its land?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:05 pm to Bestbank Tiger
That is out there somewhere too in Nevada
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:06 pm to Sleeping Tiger
this sounds as bad as we invaded iraq for Halliburton share money
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:06 pm to CamdenTiger
Interesting, if the land is protected then how does a company but the rights to tear it up to place solar panels? We cant even dig a hole in National Park to put up a sign without it being reviewed. The review entails looking at said land and what the impact that digging would have on plants fauna and water. I was miffed when NPS rangers were out there with the other feds. Such a bunch of BS
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:06 pm to theenemy
This land is your land, this land is my land...
yea right
yea right
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:08 pm to theenemy
quote:Which brings me back to my original question:
Which brings me back to my original question:
By not paying grazing rights, what gives Bundy the right to deny the US gov't the use of its land?
What gives the government a right to change the nature of a contract mid-lease?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:10 pm to themunch
quote:
That is out there somewhere too in Nevada
And they, like the government, take your money and screw you.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:11 pm to theenemy
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By not paying grazing rights, what gives Bundy the right to deny the US gov't the use of its land?
Because frick the government. That's why. If they hadn't made such a hoopla about it by sending 200 armed agents with snipers for a cattle drive no one would be on his side. But they did. And no the perception is that the government used armed force to steal a private citizens property who was just trying to earn a living. And perception is reality. Facts don't mean shite in politics or the court of public opinion.
This could have been done with the local county sheriff going to his door and saying "Sorry buddy, you didn't pay taxes on these cattle, I'm gonna have to confiscate them."
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