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re: Star Trek into Darkness: Discussion and SPOILERS thread
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:41 am to Uncle Stu
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:41 am to Uncle Stu
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well, now that I realize that the no talent arse-clown Lindelof had a hand in writing this script,
yea, LOST was like the worst show ever made. how it lasted 6 seasons is beyond me.
(that's the most defending I'm going to do since I've heard nothing but bad things about this movie
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Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:48 am to bbrownso
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he battle of Wolf 359 occurred in sector 001 (Sol System)
No it didn't. Hence the name Battle of Wolf 359. It's located a few light years away from our solar system.
As for no defenses, it's idiotic. Apparently, since they're not war-like, they can't take common sense precautions without falling into tyranny or some such nonsense. IIRC DS9 did some episodes on something akin to that.
true but the battle with the borg in first contact happened in our orbit and we got our asses kicked until locutus was able to exploit a boug weakness.
same way enterprise shut down the boug after wolf 359 with a sleeping program that locutus suggested to data while his nueral pathways were linked to locutus.
we have to realize in the trek universe this was supposedly before TNG or deep space 9 or voyager. some of the technological advances we grew up with on these series didn't exist in the TOS. Take it for what its worth but you can't incorporate TNG and later series advancements into TOS until they start crossing over like from generations and on.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:50 am
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:01 am to TH03
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LOST was like the worst show ever made. how it lasted 6 seasons is beyond me
no, it hold the distinction as being one of the best shows ever made all while simultaneously holding the award as the worst ending ever. Quite an accomplishment.
Lindlelof's not a bad writer as long as your story never, ever has to actually end. Act I and II, he's got that shite down, just dont expect too much beyond that.
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I've heard nothing but bad things about this movie
it's actually really good. It's a fun movie. There's really only a couple things I can nitpick on, and there are a few holes in the story that can border upon the unnerving, but not quite enough to make the 2 hours anything but enjoyable.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 2:35 am to Uncle Stu
I enjoyed the finale. they played to the biggest aspect of the show: the relationship between the huge cast, about whom the viewer knew just about everything
my only complaint about the 3rd act of prometheus was guy pierce's ridiculous character.
I understand the complaints though, but I don't really let stuff like that in movies bother me unless it's really glaringly bad, like too the point where you just laugh out loud
I'll still see into the darkness and will probably enjoy the hell out of it
my only complaint about the 3rd act of prometheus was guy pierce's ridiculous character.
I understand the complaints though, but I don't really let stuff like that in movies bother me unless it's really glaringly bad, like too the point where you just laugh out loud
I'll still see into the darkness and will probably enjoy the hell out of it
Posted on 5/17/13 at 3:41 am to The Easter Bunny
My biggest issue was that the "death" scene felt like Internet fan fiction. Everything after then rang hollow to me. ,
Posted on 5/17/13 at 5:33 am to asurob1
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Again, my lone quibble with the movie.
The Federation is not warlike. I get that.
Problem is..everyone else around them is certainly warlike.
Further, they fought a war with the Romulans in this timeline...and the Romulans fought them to a standstill including doing some serious damage to earth.
So the lack of defenses is surprising...that being said...im sure the main bad guy made sure those defenses were down or off chasing their tails.
This was my complaint about Iron Man 3. The dude just had his high-tech times a million skyscraper obliterated by fvcking aliens and a couple of mercenaries in helicopters demolish his home with 50 Iron Men who can be controlled without a pilot are just sitting in the garage?!?! Why aren't a couple of these drones circling around?
So dumb.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 12:47 pm to The Easter Bunny
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3. What was Khan's motivation basically at any stage? I get the attacking the "archives" so he can attack the Admiral, but then why beam to Kronos? Is his plan to start a war between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire? If so, why not let them get caught?
The one thing that all master planners have in common is that you don't plan on only one path to victory.
And you can tell you are nitpicking ("ZOMG THE OCEAN LEVELS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER") when you bring this up after them taking the time to all but explicitly explain it in the movie.
Remember, the assumption by him were that they were all dead. He just wanted to trigger the war. Bombing Kronos was his endgame on that arc.
However, Kirk provided an alternative path when he didn't bombard the planet as ordered. And took a "compassionate path" with for Khan is the same as "exploitable weakness".
Attacking the Klingons further both potential plans, but he only really and immediately surrendered when he realized his crew were alive, and in close proximity, in the control of one deemed explotable.
You can tell how the demeanor changed...he was almost throwing the gun away as soon as he heard 72 and not a second before.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:05 pm to thekid
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I never understand how people's enjoyment can be hindered by logic issues when the movie requires complete suspension of dis-belief in the first place.
Mother fricking this.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:35 pm to jacks40
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Scotty and Kirk betrayed him first and stunned him.
Why would he think he was still going to get his crew back after that?
Yeah, my buddy said the same thing. What, Khan's supposed to just assume Kirk (who did in fact arrest him) will happily hand over an entire crew of super humans who started WW3?
I think I was irrational upset with the movie when I first got back and was wrong on that one (probably others, I've only just calmed down enough to come back to my own thread)
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:38 pm to The Easter Bunny
To be honest, I was wondering if they would make Khan a sympathetic character and not such a despot. In some ways they did, it seemed he would do anything for his crew. Ultimately, he is the best foil for Kirk/Spock so he made the leap from neutral to foe.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:39 pm to asurob1
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...while the OPs complaint about lack of defenses is somewhat valid...and my only real quibble with the movie...suffice to say it's not a giant leap in logic that the bad guy (no spoilers) could have dispatched all the defense forces...somewhere else.
couldn't that have been fixed with just 1 line of dialogue? "The fleet has been dispatched to ___ due to a planetwide outbreak of Romulan chicken pox"
The real issue is you know at least 5 or so ships must be close to Earth since their captains and first officers were all at that meeting. Did the crews just say frick it and all leave with fresh captains?
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:47 pm to FootballNostradamus
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I'm not saying they're aren't alternatives, but it wasn't some laughable move and it certainly wasn't ridiculous because the damn water would rise from the displacement of one fvcking ship.
The issue was much more of the huge spectacle it makes coming out of the water, whereas in orbit the natives don't see shite. Plus, we know they have shuttles which can be hidden
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:49 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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My biggest issue was that the "death" scene felt like Internet fan fiction. Everything after then rang hollow to me. ,
I honestly think that from the moment I realized Kirk was going to die by taking Spock's part from WoK I got overly pissed and start nitpicking the entire film. Then the bullshite bringing him back to life made me hate everyone. I had a really good time with the movie up until then
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:51 pm to Volvagia
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. He just wanted to trigger the war. Bombing Kronos was his endgame on that arc.
I guess I do not understand why that is Khan's endgame. Why does he give two fricks about that war? And why sacrifice himself for it?
Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:51 pm to Volvagia
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And you can tell you are nitpicking ("ZOMG THE OCEAN LEVELS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER") when you bring this up after them taking the time to all but explicitly explain it in the movie.
yeah, that part was dumb (by me). I blame it on Spock's awful "Khannnnn!"
Posted on 5/17/13 at 5:00 pm to TH03
My only issue is:
Why does Alice Eves character have a British accent while her father has that Mild American southern accent.
Why does Alice Eves character have a British accent while her father has that Mild American southern accent.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 6:05 pm to The Eric
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My only issue is:
Why does Alice Eves character have a British accent while her father has that Mild American southern accent.
shrug...as has been pointed out before...if she lived with her mom...who lived in London and dad was from Iowa.
My kid has a touch of Boston in her voice now from her years living there...and me not so much since I live in the southwest.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 6:56 pm to The Easter Bunny
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1. When did Spock turn into a fricking action hero? The cold, logical Vulcan is leaping to moving platforms and become an action hero? This is the same guy who just sits in the volcano like the monk who set himself on fire?
When JJ Abrams took over. Aside from Scotty (and maybe even him), they're all really badasses in this iteration.
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2. Why are they hiding the ship in the fricking ocean? Shouldn't it be displacing a massive amount of water in that bay? ETA: this is fricking stupid on my part This is something we've never seen a Starfleet ship do when observing a planet, because it's dumb, but what was the motivation?
I think its in the middle of the ocean, and doubt it would display that much over the course of an entire planet.
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3. What was Khan's motivation basically at any stage? I get the attacking the "archives" so he can attack the Admiral, but then why beam to Kronos? Is his plan to start a war between Starfleet and the Klingon Empire? If so, why not let them get caught?
Pure vengeance and taking out any inferior life form. I also think he wanted to provoke the Admiral to attack him and thus ensuring the wheels of the plan were set in motion.
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3b. What the frick is Khan doing backstabbing Kirk on the bridge of the Drednaut class ship? Why not wait until you have your crew in hand?
What else was he supposed to do. He already arrived in the command room and needed control of the ship.
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4. Why are there no Klingon ships within 20 minutes of Kronos? Why are there no other ships around Earth? Everyone just stays totally unaware? Even after the last movie when the Romulans brought the drill to Earth we didn't set up a perimeter defense?
I'll admit this being a flaw, but only one the most nitpicky of moviegoers are going to notice. I don't have much of a problem with it.
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5. What the frick is going on with the Enterprise falling to Earth? They said they were 300,000 km away (so basically the moon), and it took longer than the van hitting the water in Inception. Not to mention I do not totally understand the physics behind it, either. Why didn't it ever change in magnitude?
Another flaw, but hardly bothers me.
Now onto my review. I really liked this movie. Not loved, but liked. Pretty much how I felt about the last one. It was effective and did exactly what it needed to do. Khan (frick the reviewers who spoiled this for me) was fricking great and Benedict Cumberbatch just nailed it. That said, I'm getting really sick of the plot device of the villain being intentionally captured and that being his plan all along. It was the most obvious case of it in cinematic history when he has Uhura, Kirk, and Spock pretty much at his will. It started with TDK, and I'm getting really tired of it.
I really like the connection to "Wrath of Khan" and the references made about it. Also from the moment that we saw the blood revive that little girl, I knew pretty damn instantly that Spock would use it to revive Kirk later in the movie.
I know I may be nitpicking it now, but I did enjoy it, and god damn is Alice Eve fine. Seriously, in the future either they genetically engineer everyone to be beautiful or they only choose the single most attractive people on the planet for Star Fleet duty.
3.5 out of 4 stars.
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 5/17/13 at 7:00 pm to Uncle Stu
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no, it hold the distinction as being one of the best shows ever made all while simultaneously holding the award as the worst ending ever. Quite an accomplishment.
Quite thoroughly enjoyed the ending, but I know we'll always agree to disagree on that.
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Lindlelof's not a bad writer as long as your story never, ever has to actually end. Act I and II, he's got that shite down, just dont expect too much beyond that.
Kinda ironic since he was pinned to write the third act of WWZ.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 7:04 pm to The Easter Bunny
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yeah, that part was dumb (by me). I blame it on Spock's awful "Khannnnn!"
Yeah, that jarred me as well. It should have been a whispering rage that Spock can do, not a scream.
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