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Why is a gun never a deterrent and only a weapon?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:22 pm
I see so many people here say "only point a gun when you plan to pull the trigger".
I had someone threaten me on a major road and come up to my truck and I pulled a gun on him, with no plans to shoot it. I was told this was wrong. But it prevented an escalation of violence.
Now had he kept coming or had a weapon my mind would have changed and I would have pulled the trigger.
I have had a gun pointed at me by police for a passenger not having a seat belt on. Heck cops like to point guns around here, it's okay for them to use the deterrent.
I would rather shoot into the floor than a teens head who breaks into my home. If I don't feel my life is in danger, why take another's?
I really feel in some ways a gun is a deterrent.
I just don't see why it is only acceptable to use one to kill or maim, and not simply brandish to get someone to back down.
I'll hang up and listen while I'm told how stupid this viewpoint is.
I had someone threaten me on a major road and come up to my truck and I pulled a gun on him, with no plans to shoot it. I was told this was wrong. But it prevented an escalation of violence.
Now had he kept coming or had a weapon my mind would have changed and I would have pulled the trigger.
I have had a gun pointed at me by police for a passenger not having a seat belt on. Heck cops like to point guns around here, it's okay for them to use the deterrent.
I would rather shoot into the floor than a teens head who breaks into my home. If I don't feel my life is in danger, why take another's?
I really feel in some ways a gun is a deterrent.
I just don't see why it is only acceptable to use one to kill or maim, and not simply brandish to get someone to back down.
I'll hang up and listen while I'm told how stupid this viewpoint is.
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Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:27 pm to Napoleon
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I really feel in some ways a gun is a deterrent
If I ever felt I had to draw a gun on somebody, it certainly wouldn't be a draw and shoot instant thing if there was still ground between us and he didn't have a gun.
I'm pretty sure I would always draw before I was ready to shoot. I'm not a soldier. If I draw and the bad guy stops or runs, I'm not shooting. I most definitely do not want to ever shoot anybody.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:33 pm to Napoleon
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"only point a gun when you plan to pull the trigger"
You need to be willing to pull the trigger if you point a gun. If the situation diffuses itself and you don't shoot, that's a good thing.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:36 pm to Napoleon
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I would rather shoot into the floor than a teens head who breaks into my home. If I don't feel my life is in danger, why take another's?
Sorry, someone breaks into my house i'm not shooting at the floor. The intruder is getting a "judge to the face" I'm not willing to take that chance.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:38 pm to Nodust
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You need to be willing to pull the trigger if you point a gun. If the situation diffuses itself and you don't shoot, that's a good thing.
This is where I am...good point.
A Carjacker started to run when I pulled out the "GLOCK" and pointed it in his face and gave him a polite but firm "No".
If I would have pulled out a 1911, he would have probably kept coming with the belief it would jam if I tried to fire it......that and a measly 9 shots will not deter a determined Messican.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:39 pm to GotDucks?
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Sorry someone breaks into my house i'm not shooting at the floor.
Agreed. Breaking into my house has crossed the line. You never know what their intent may be.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:47 pm to Napoleon
quote:this is retarded. when you point a gun you are willing to shoot IF you feel you are in grave danger. if you point and they run, stand down, ect, then hell no don't shoot.
only point a gun when you plan to pull the trigger
Posted on 5/9/13 at 2:51 pm to Napoleon
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I see so many people here say "only point a gun when you plan to pull the trigger".
I had someone threaten me on a major road and come up to my truck and I pulled a gun on him, with no plans to shoot it. I was told this was wrong. But it prevented an escalation of violence.
Now had he kept coming or had a weapon my mind would have changed and I would have pulled the trigger.
See your first comment where you said "plan to pull the trigger." It's all about mindset, not an absolute certainty where you will definitely have to shoot.
Do not rely on your gun ONLY being a deterrent. These are the same people who leave a pump shotgun unloaded just to rack it a bunch of times to scare a criminal. Besides displaying to the perp that the shotgun is empty, you are also relying on this person being afraid of the sound. If he or she comes further, you are empty and unable to do anything.
The real thing is "be prepared to shoot."
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I would rather shoot into the floor than a teens head who breaks into my home. If I don't feel my life is in danger, why take another's?
I strongly advocate against warning shots. I have never heard of a warning shot EVER being a good thing.
I agree I would rather not have to shoot a teen thug in the head, but if he crosses into the threshold of my castle, I have no way of knowing what his intentions are. I will have to make quick decisions and decide on each encounter individually to determine if lethal force is necessary.
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I really feel in some ways a gun is a deterrent.
I just don't see why it is only acceptable to use one to kill or maim, and not simply brandish to get someone to back down.
This is the exact reason that you hear the statistic of "guns are used 2 million times a year to prevent crimes." There is no documentation of "perp saw gun, shite pants, and fled."
I agree it is a great deterrent, but you need to have the mindset to shoot if you feel a situation gets past that breaking point.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 3:49 pm to Nodust
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Agreed. Breaking into my house has crossed the line. You never know what their intent may be.
Absolutely. If someone has the brass to break into your home knowing or banking on the occupant being a sleep. They have the brass to cause you bodily harm and most likely would.
The theory behind shooting to kill is: dead people can't testify against you.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 4:00 pm to Napoleon
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I see so many people here say "only point a gun when you plan to pull the trigger".
That's not quite the rule. It's only point the gun at something you intend on shooting.
Guns are used as deterrents all the time. I'd even venture to say they're used that way more than they are weapons.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 4:03 pm to Napoleon
A gun is definitely a deterrent in the right circumstances because it demonstrates where the next step of the confrontation is going to go very shortly and puts the ball in the other court of whether they want to get out of this alive or not.
That said, you better be damn sure of yourself if you are going to give them that option. Because they may choose fight instead of flight and at that point, you've set the stakes.
That said, you better be damn sure of yourself if you are going to give them that option. Because they may choose fight instead of flight and at that point, you've set the stakes.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 4:34 pm to faxis
I would never pull a gun out unless I intend to use it and it will be lawful to shoot the person. ( i or my immediate family is in danger of grave personal harm or death, or if someone is in my house) There is a very quick re asessment period in between pulling the gun and pulling the trigger. If the bad guy throws his hands up or runs away im not firing. If there is no sudden change in behavior I am pulling the trigger.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 4:41 pm to Napoleon
They say that because if you pull a gun you may have to discharge it. Luckily for you the situation was diffused, but if he had a gun and drew on you you had better be prepared to pull the trigger.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:01 pm to Napoleon
Well, I've been told I could get in trouble for unnecessary escalation of force or some shite. So, from that viewpoint, I'd only pull a gun if necessary use of deadly force is imminent. That's how I interpret it.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:36 pm to Tiguar
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Well, I've been told I could get in trouble for unnecessary escalation of force or some shite.
If you are seen as the aggressor, it can bite you in the arse. But if the confrontation found you and you didn't start it, if in fear for your life or great bodily harm, you can use deadly force.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:54 pm to bapple
Nobody wants to shoot another person
If you have to to save your own life or the life of a loved one, you'll do whatever it takes
If you have to to save your own life or the life of a loved one, you'll do whatever it takes
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:54 pm to Napoleon
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I had someone threaten me on a major road and come up to my truck and I pulled a gun on him, with no plans to shoot it. I was told this was wrong. But it prevented an escalation of violence.
The very act of pulling a weapon is an escalation of violence. Had the other party had a gun and used it he would very likely be home before your body was cold because you wouldnt be around to tell your side of the story.
You didnt prevent an escelation of violence you skipped to the final step, threatening to take the mans life. Generally the expression of "If you pull a gun kill a man" comes from out parents and grandparents, generations past had no problems taking a weapon from someone who drew with no intention of firing and either beating the shite out of them, or drawing their own weapon and sending them to hell.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:58 pm to Napoleon
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I have had a gun pointed at me by police for a passenger not having a seat belt on. Heck cops like to point guns around here, it's okay for them to use the deterrent.
Whatever cop did this is a moron. However, that doesn't license you to behave in moronic ways.
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I would rather shoot into the floor than a teens head who breaks into my home.
Hey, it's your floor, and your life. No offense intended, but in most instances that's also pretty moronic.
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I just don't see why it is only acceptable to use one to kill or maim, and not simply brandish to get someone to back down.
Brandishing is illegal in this state -- and is probably illegal in the other 49 states (I haven't taken the time to research this). It's a real good way to get a criminal conviction on your record --- which will probably impede your ability to brandish later on (since you'll have trouble ever being able to obtain a CCW permit).
You might want to consider taking a good CCW class, from an experienced instructor -- one that isn't limited to strictly "concealed carry" topics. I can suggest a couple if anyone is interested.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:14 pm to dawg23
To the OP...If you don't feel you can pull the trigger and deal with the aftermath, don't even carry/own a gun. Because you can bet the sociopathic scum you pulled it on will use it on you.
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