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re: Homebrewing: What's New?

Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:42 pm to
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:42 pm to
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Blackberries and blueberries make a pretty beer



My mom said she'd bring my a flat of Blueberries when she picks them later this year. Brainstorming already.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:43 pm to
Bourbon barrel aged.

#craftbrewtrends
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:47 pm to
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Bourbon barrel aged.




That could happen. We have a Bourbon Barrel.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:49 pm to
Blueberries don't have much flavor, but can add a bit of tartness
Something light seems best, but I have seen some blueberry porter recipes
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:49 pm to
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Got a link or anything, I'd like to read the long answer,


Simple really. In Colorado, you can brew beer as a brewery and sell your beer on your premises, aka brewpub and bottled beer to go. But those same brewers can also distribute their beer, or have a distributor do it for them, to commercial accounts. i,e, bars and retail stores. In La, you can not do both. Texas just changed the law to allow brewers to sell a limited amount of their beer on their premises.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:54 pm to
So in La., you can either be a brewpub and make/distribute on premises, OR, you can be a brewery but you can't distribute on premises (for money)? Does Abita get away with it by simply having two physical locations?
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 9:56 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:56 pm to
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Does Abita get away with it by simply having two physical locations?


Yeah, the pub/restaurant is not related to the brewery.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:00 pm to
I mean they're related, and I'm pretty sure they are owned by the same holding company, I think they just "technically" brew the beer served there, there, and I think that might be the only distinction.

ETA: I'm not trying to call you out on something stupid, I'm just getting at the point that I think you can achieve the "split" here, you just need two pieces of physical property to do it. Although Abita probably gets people to look sideways fairly often.
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:07 pm to
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So in La., you can either be a brewpub and make/distribute on premises, OR, you can be a brewery but you can't distribute on premises (for money)?


Yes. There may be some other nuances to the laws....I'm in Texas and so am not as knowledgeable on La laws. But the laws in both states go back to when prohibition was repealed and the lawmakers came up with a 3 tier system (brewers, distributors and retailers/bars) that in theory would keep one entity from controlling the beer market. In reality, the distributors became the dominant force.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:12 pm to
That I understand and agree that I have a really hard time understanding people defending it outside of self-preservation. I guess where that comes into play vis-a-vis other states (Co/Ca/Wis correct me if this isn't the case in one of these) is that you can open a brewpub, brew your stuff, but also get it distributed to supplement your income/more likely than not support what is probably a marginal business given the capital investment necessary to support what is effectively a restaurant that serves beer.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:19 pm to
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is that you can open a brewpub, brew your stuff, but also get it distributed to supplement your income/more likely than not support what is probably a marginal business given the capital investment necessary to support what is effectively a restaurant that serves beer.


Yes. In theory, you can make more as a brewpub if you build a good clientele because you pocket all of the $5-6 a person pays for the beer. Whereas if you sell to a bar, you as brewer only make $1-2 a beer. So in Colorado, wisconsin, etc., a brewer can go the sexy route and sell/distribute to bars and retail stores. But many of those small outfits make their money selling on premises in a little tasting room. Often times its 2 guys brewing during the day and tending bar at night. Which is why most of them in Denver close early...some at 8pm.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 5/13/13 at 10:24 pm to
Seems like if you had the capital to acquire a good location (just using Crescent City Brewhouse as an example here as to location) AND could brew legit beer, at least in downtown/whd nola where you got metric tons of foot traffic, you could make a killing. You just need a ton of money to get the thing going and sustain your startup cashburn. I think you might see more of this here locally as this craftbrew "movement" seems to be reaching a fever pitch. I understand Louisiana is 5 years behind, I've been living in Houston since 2010.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:20 pm to
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Seems like if you had the capital to acquire a good location (just using Crescent City Brewhouse as an example here as to location) AND could brew legit beer, at least in downtown/whd nola where you got metric tons of foot traffic, you could make a killing.


Maybe. I think you have to serve good food too. The craft beer market is still very small even in Texas. I think Austin has a couple of brewpubs....actual several now that I think about it. They actually sell other craft beer as well as their own. That would be the way to go so as not to limit your customer base. Then you are basically a normal pub that also brews your own Beer.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:24 pm to
I was going to ask that very question but I figured it would get answered. I agree with you, you need good food. Flying Saucer gets away with marginal food because there's no massive equipment, but I have to say, every time I go to the one in DT Houston (often), its pretty packed. I agree though, its a burgeoning movement in the Southeast/Texas and probably a few years away. That's okay, I've not got anywhere near the money or brewing chops yet.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:08 am to
Question for the other brewers:

When you dry hop, do you put your beer into a secondary or just dry hop in the primary? If you go to secondary, why?
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15983 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:16 am to
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When you dry hop, do you put your beer into a secondary or just dry hop in the primary? If you go to secondary, why?



If I'm in a bucket I just open the lid and add the hops. If I'm in a carboy I rack from Primary to a bucket and dry hop in secondary.

I see no real reason to transfer to secondary for anything under a month or so on the yeast cake.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:28 am to
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I see no real reason to transfer to secondary for anything under a month or so on the yeast cake.


This is what I think as well, just trying to get other opinions though. FYI, sent you a FB message about a potential trip this summer.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29995 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:37 am to
I usually primary in my glass carboys, so I transfer to my better bottles to dry hop as the mouth is bigger and easier to clean out once done. I wouldn't transfer if I didn't have to.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57963 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:39 am to
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When you dry hop, do you put your beer into a secondary or just dry hop in the primary? If you go to secondary, why?


Secondary in a glass carboy. Whenever i dry hop i rack my beer on top of the hops. I believe this gives a better hop profile because your beer is in constant contact with the hops. Now, having said that, i've never dry hopped in the primary, so i have no experience as to the difference in taste. But it makes sense that you would have more contact with racking onto your hops, rather than dumping the hops in the wort. Unless you stirred your beer up, and at that point, after primary fermentation, would leave you with too much risk of aeration when you don't want it.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15983 posts
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:43 am to
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This is what I think as well, just trying to get other opinions though. FYI, sent you a FB message about a potential trip this summer.


Will have to see what all the plans for bachelor party and fall trip and all work out to be. But I'm interested.
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