re: Is Brees still an elite QB?

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Breesus

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The thing is some of these Drew Brees worshippers will Not tolerate any critcism even when it is accurate. They just won't stand for it. They'd rather ban everyone who doesn't suck his jock 24/7 and make this place like another Saints message board, where you pump sunshine or you get run off.

You appear to be one of them.

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You appear to be one of them.

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Orly? I have called Brees out on his last two games repeatedly on this board. I did it earlier in this thread even. But some criticism and saying the guy isnt elite are not the same thing. And this season he is still a league leader in most categories. Maybe he is throwing INTs on purpose just so he can lead that category too. I dont know man. I just dont know. He is still elite, he is still a top 3 QB, he isnt a shell, he isnt in a decline, he is a future HOF, and also, all of this:





Statistically speaking, no one in NFL history has ever:
been more accurate in season,
had more yards in a season,
had more 5000yrd passing seasons,
had more completions in a season,
had more consecutive 400+completion seasons,
had more consecutive seasons with over 4000yrds and over 30 tds,
had more games with over 5 passind tds,
had more games with more than 5tds and no ints,
had a better career completion percentage,
had more seasons with 70% completion rate,
had more games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions in a career,
had more games with 250+ yards passing in a season,
had more consecutive 400+ yard passing games
had more games with 350+ yards passingin a career or season


He also has both the highest post season completion percentage and lowest post season interception percentage in a career, highest passing yard per game in the post season in a career, most passing yards and attempts without an interception in a playoff game, most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs

He was the first NFL QB ever to have multiple 5000 yrd seasons, multiple seasons over 70%, and is the only one to do either

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Breesus

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stats don't win gams brah, even though our best teams tend to have the best stats

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He hasn't played himself into the conversation of elite quarterbacks this season.

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What would he need to do to be elite this season?

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He's going to need better offensive line and defensive play

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I disagree with both of these cutting out the first 4 games of the season. Brees's problems this year and especially the last 2 games, arent because of the oline or the defense. Not at all.

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Can you really be an elite QB if you are leading the league in INTs? I mean, he has almost as many INTs as Brady, Rodgers and Peyton combined

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Brett Farve says hello.

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He hasn't played himself into the conversation of elite quarterbacks this season

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and I don't really have an issue with people who claim this.

The thread title is "Is Drew Brees still an elite QB?". I think that the answer is an unquestionable yes. A player doesn't quit being elite due to a few bad games in a very strange season. If you asked that question to NFL players and coaches, almost all of them would say he is elite.

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He's going to need better offensive line and defensive play if that is going to happen, though.

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well we've had oline injuries + our oline coach wasn't able to focus on that through the first 6 games. They started being great again, and then we got hit by the injury bug. Our interior line has been solid, bushrod has been streaky (as always) and our RT have been hurt (4th string for the san fran game). I think the injuries to the receivers have been pretty significant too, especially in the denver and san fran games. Graham hasn't been the same since his injuries

I'm completely fine with the way our defense has played since Denver. Spags has had a learning curve every single place he's been. If they hold at this level, you can't ask for much more.

Yay stats!

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No response to that from the Brees haters, eh?

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I really didn't want to get into a back and forth on this board (and I'm not a "Brees hater"), but if you're going to taunt people after your ridiculous posts then let's do this.

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Statistically speaking, no one in NFL history has ever:
been more accurate in season,
had more yards in a season,
had more 5000yrd passing seasons,
had more completions in a season,
had more consecutive 400+completion seasons,
had more consecutive seasons with over 4000yrds and over 30 tds,
had more games with over 5 passind tds,

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These are really impressive achievements an why Brees is an elite player and a HOF lock. None of those records make him the GOAT, and at no point in his career has he "out performed every QB in history".

His greatest season was last year, and he didn't even outperform every QB that specific season. Rodgers was better. I know that you're going to come back with the completion percentage and yards, but the yards are irrelevant as they were compiled due to Brees throwing so much more than Rodgers. Rodgers had a much higher YPA, TD to attempt ration, INT to attempt ratio, etc.

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Im not saying Brady and Manning arent great, but to laugh at the thought of Drew being at least equal to them is asinine in my opinion.

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I didn't do that. I called out your statement that Brees has "out performed every QB in history".

Let's take a look at Brees with the Saints vs Manning's best 5 year stretch and Brady's:

Brees' QB rating last 5 seasons with the Saints:
110.6
90.9
109.6
96.2
89.4

Manning's QB rating 03-07:
99
121.1
104.1
101
98

Brady's Qb rating 07-11:
117.2
83.9
96.2
111
105.6

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He is or was in the top all time in almost every single category.

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That simply isn't true. Here's a link to passing records. Brees is on there a good bit, but he is most definitely not the leader in "almost every single category":

LINK

Now let me clarify my position one last time because you seem to get overzealous and misinterpret things. Drew Brees is an elite quarterback and has played at an historically great level in his time with the Saints. He's played himself into the discussion with Manning and Brady. He has not however, "out performed every QB in history" and does not own "almost every single record". Those statements are the statements of an overzealous fanboy

Brees is too short. He either needs to grow, or go.

Some of you are so painfully stupid...