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re: Maryland approves move to Big TEN
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:31 pm to RuLSU
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:31 pm to RuLSU
Yeah, if I'm the Big 12, I'm looking at raiding the ACC before they raid me. You're at 10 teams and could easily add Louisville (for WVU), FSU, and Clemson. Then you just need one more for 14 and you're choosing between Miami, GT, and maybe NC State.
This creates stability and adds a power (FSU) to compete with the Texas-OU big dogs. The SEC doesn't need another elite team. It needs a middle class. Programs like VT, UVA, UNC, and State would be perfect. The only reason you add OU is if you're pushing Auburn and Bama to the East and you need some balance with LSU in the West.
This creates stability and adds a power (FSU) to compete with the Texas-OU big dogs. The SEC doesn't need another elite team. It needs a middle class. Programs like VT, UVA, UNC, and State would be perfect. The only reason you add OU is if you're pushing Auburn and Bama to the East and you need some balance with LSU in the West.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:36 pm to NekiEcko
I'm under the suspicion that this "Power Move" by the B1G is nothing more than a ruse to try and convince ND from going the ACC.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:40 pm to 1fairbank
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I'm under the suspicion that this "Power Move" by the B1G is nothing more than a ruse to try and convince ND from going the ACC.
I hope it is; get ND and UVA and call it a day
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:44 pm to Baloo
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Yeah, if I'm the Big 12, I'm looking at raiding the ACC before they raid me. You're at 10 teams and could easily add Louisville (for WVU), FSU, and Clemson. Then you just need one more for 14 and you're choosing between Miami, GT, and maybe NC State.
This creates stability and adds a power (FSU) to compete with the Texas-OU big dogs. The SEC doesn't need another elite team. It needs a middle class. Programs like VT, UVA, UNC, and State would be perfect. The only reason you add OU is if you're pushing Auburn and Bama to the East and you need some balance with LSU in the West.
I don't think we're anywhere close to the 'end' of conference realignment.
I could easily foresee a time in which only four conferences remain; at that point, the "playoffs" would just be the four conference champions, or the 8 divisional champions (i.e. 'Bama, Georgia, B12S, B12N, Leaders / Legends, Pac-12S, Pac-12N, etc...)
Even though all of this nonsense ends up with Rutgers in a real conference - and the Big "10" is awesome, especially in regards to academics - it is nonsense.
Sporting tradition is pushed aside in favor of cold hard advertising revenue. Even as a fan of a school that advances as a result, it's a sad turn of events for college football, IMO.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:45 pm to RuLSU
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Sporting tradition is pushed aside in favor of cold hard advertising revenue. Even as a fan of a school that advances as a result, it's a sad turn of events for college football, IMO.
I disagree strongly. "Tradition" is one of the worst things about college football, IMO, and it holds it back greatly.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:46 pm to 1fairbank
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I'm under the suspicion that this "Power Move" by the B1G is nothing more than a ruse to try and convince ND from going the ACC.
I don't know. Obviously we still like ND, but them moving over to the ACC might have been a final slap in the face to Delaney.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:46 pm to Buckeye06
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I hope it is; get ND and UVA and call it a day
The B1G is trying to keep regional sanity. IOW, no WVU in the Big-12.
If ND / UVA went, however - or if it was ND / UVA - I think Rutgers would still be in play for the ACC. I won't complain if RU ends up in a real conference.
But I prefer the B1G, especially considering the academic aspects.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:48 pm to RuLSU
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I don't think we're anywhere close to the 'end' of conference realignment.
I could easily foresee a time in which only four conferences remain; at that point, the "playoffs" would just be the four conference champions, or the 8 divisional champions (i.e. 'Bama, Georgia, B12S, B12N, Leaders / Legends, Pac-12S, Pac-12N, etc...)
Even though all of this nonsense ends up with Rutgers in a real conference - and the Big "10" is awesome, especially in regards to academics - it is nonsense.
Sporting tradition is pushed aside in favor of cold hard advertising revenue. Even as a fan of a school that advances as a result, it's a sad turn of events for college football, IMO
I was just coming to post something similar. Except, I want to see it happen. I'd love to see 4 big conferences of 16. I'd love for them to tell the NCAA and smaller schools goodbye. Let the 64 form a "new NCAA".
Essentially create a new class of college athletics. Having 119 teams or whatever is too many. This is my grand dream.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:48 pm to WikiTiger
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I disagree strongly. "Tradition" is one of the worst things about college football, IMO, and it holds it back greatly.
We've entered a world where Texas A&M no longer plays Texas; Notre Dame no longer plays Michigan -- I like those traditional rivalries, and I hate seeing them go.
As a fan of a school with... uh... 'limited' tradition - - it's not a big deal for RU.
There are some things that shouldn't be changed, though.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:51 pm to hashtag
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Let the 64 form a "new NCAA".
As long as Rutgers is in a real conference, I guess it could be worse.
I guess you would set up a playoff system where you had 16 team conferences; 8 in each division - and you'd end up with 8 divisional winners in the playoffs...
It could be worse, I guess. I can't imagine how frustrating the 2003 LSU / Oklahoma / USC thing was; I'd imagine the 2004 Auburn team had a legitimate gripe, as well.
Anything that eliminates that kind of junk would be fine by me.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:51 pm to Baloo
I am really tired of this conference realignment business. It's a sad state of affairs...but I am pre-capitalism. So if this is the direction that the money is flying to, then so be it. But it's at the expense of some really good products. It's a shame that the media favors these national products instead of the really good regional ones. WVU/Pitt never registrered on the national richter scale, but it sure as hell meant a lot to the community. A&M and Texas...when was the last time that game was relevant? But it meant a lot to the people in the area. All of these products and more are being ruined in favor of seeing the powerhouses dook it out...and the smaller programs are just being led along being told it's good for them.
Part of me wishes that UVA goes Ivy League and dials down athletics. I'm fine with being an academics first school in an academics first conference. I really don't want to be associated with the Big10. I don't identify with them at all.
Part of me wishes that UVA goes Ivy League and dials down athletics. I'm fine with being an academics first school in an academics first conference. I really don't want to be associated with the Big10. I don't identify with them at all.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:53 pm to RuLSU
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Texas A&M no longer plays Texas; Notre Dame no longer plays Michigan
I just don't see this as that big of a loss.
And tradition more often than not holds back progress. Look at all the crap that has to be done in the SEC to preserve the "oh so precious" Alabama-Tennessee matchup. Why? Simply because it's been played for a long time? Big deal.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:53 pm to hashtag
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Essentially create a new class of college athletics
Agree totally - this needs to happen. College athletics is in an arms race that few of the 119 schools can really compete in. We need to separate haves from the have nots - 64 teams that can handle (if not win) the arms race and the rest that are satisfied with putting a slightly inferior product on the football field at least in return for getting out of the arms race.
Can it happen? Who knows.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:56 pm to WikiTiger
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And tradition more often than not holds back progress.
Give me another example besides Bama and UT. That's a bad one to pick because it register like 1 on the Richter scale. It's nothing compared to the passion that Texas and A&M fans feel when they play each other
Posted on 11/19/12 at 1:59 pm to TulaneUVA
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Give me another example besides Bama and UT.
Notre Dame being independent
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:00 pm to 1fairbank
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Maybe the should try for K-State?
lulz what
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:01 pm to WikiTiger
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Notre Dame being independent
Notre Dame doesn't do this for the sake of tradition. It's all about the mighty $$$ and what their national fan base and alumni want to see. The reduction in flexibility to schedule nationally in lieu of regionally is much more than a slap in the face to tradition. It's a reduction in viewership and income.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:01 pm to 1fairbank
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Under its current rules, the B1G cannot add Georgia Tech as it is not in a state connected to another B1G state.
I doubt at this point it matter much anymore.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:05 pm to TulaneUVA
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It's all about the mighty $$$
you couldn't be more wrong.
They would make more money in the Big 10 than they do with their NBC contract.
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what their national fan base and alumni want to see
Maybe, maybe not. Has there ever been a poll conducted to determine this or is it all speculation? I have a close family member in the employ of ND, and he would prefer ND join a conference. A casual perusal of their message boards seems to show heavy support for joining a conference. I admit, all that is just anecdotal, but it bears just as much weight as what you posted. i.e. none.
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reduction in flexibility to schedule nationally in lieu of regionally is much more than a slap in the face to tradition. It's a reduction in viewership and income.
Viewership? Maybe.
Income? Wrong.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:06 pm to TulaneUVA
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Notre Dame doesn't do this for the sake of tradition. It's all about the mighty $$$
wrong. ND would make much more money if they joined the B1G.
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