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re: Maryland approves move to Big TEN
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:30 pm to OrangeBlood
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:30 pm to OrangeBlood
So which school will most likely be the 14th B1G school?
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Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:37 pm to rocket31
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staying independent for ND is about identity and tradition.
at least we agree on one thing.
and this whole side topic got started by me saying that tradition holds back progress, and I think ND staying independent is one of many examples of this
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:37 pm to TulaneUVA
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Why is it so important to maintain that image with their fan base? It's because that image is associated with some $$ figure
NDs endowment is worth 7.5 billion, they are not hurting for money.
sometimes status, prestige, tradition, and identity are worth more than making a couple extra million per year on a tv contract.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:39 pm to WikiTiger
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and this whole side topic got started by me saying that tradition holds back progress, and I think ND staying independent is one of many examples of this
i can agree, but i look at it from different angle; i think more teams should go independent in football and get rid of these archaic conference affiliations.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:40 pm to RoyMcavoy
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So which school will most likely be the 14th B1G school?
Rutgers, barring a last-second change.
They're scheduled to vote on the matter as soon as tomorrow.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:41 pm to BreakawayZou83
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And this is why I still think the Big 12 is the most susceptible to a full-blown collapse, even after this Maryland move.
ok mizzou
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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StraightCashHomey21
how you enjoying 5-5?
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:42 pm to rocket31
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i can agree, but i look at it from different angle; i think more teams should go independent in football and get rid of these archaic conference affiliations.
Being independent in football generally locks you out of most major conferences for your non-football sports.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:43 pm to rocket31
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sometimes status, prestige, tradition, and identity are worth more than making a couple extra million per year on a tv contract.
No argument there. That's exactly what I am trying to say.
Somewhere, someone has done the math and has said that Notre Dame's reputation and image are more important (read: valuable in terms of money) than a bigger TV contract.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:45 pm to TulaneUVA
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Somewhere, someone has done the math and has said that Notre Dame's reputation and image are more important (read: valuable in terms of money) than a bigger TV contract.
yea, and in the 90's, the Big-10 and Pac-10 thought there was more value in the Rose Bowl than in a national championship game.
They changed their mind.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:48 pm to WikiTiger
Ok, so even if I buy the Notre Dame argument...how is it detrimental to college football? How is that affecting anyone else? From the perspective of the teams they play, it's just another OOC game.
For the most part, I don't see how tradition is holding back much.
For the most part, I don't see how tradition is holding back much.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:50 pm to WikiTiger
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how you enjoying 5-5?
it sure as hell beats playing shitty arse teams every week 2 or 3 more season of bringing in big12 type players we will be just fine.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:52 pm to TulaneUVA
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how is it detrimental to college football?
Special rules created for one team aren't detrimental?
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How is that affecting anyone else?
If Boise State becomes independent, will they be offered the same deal as Notre Dame in the BCS rules?
What about the other independent teams? Why aren't they treated the same?
And I know your answer is just going to be some variation on "tradition" or "history," and I think that's absolutely ridiculous. I don't give a shite what Knute Rockne did all those years ago.
It's the same buttshit that got Alabama into the BCS NCG last year over Oklahoma State, despite OSU having a much better resume.
"Tradition" and "history" or whatever else you want to call it are detrimental to the sport.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:53 pm to TulaneUVA
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For the most part, I don't see how tradition is holding back much.
We still don't have a playoff. I think that's an example of tradition holding back the progress of major CFB.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:56 pm to RoyMcavoy
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We still don't have a playoff. I think that's an example of tradition holding back the progress of major CFB.
Exactly!
And even when the playoff does come in 2013 or 2014 (I can't remember), it's still not going to be an NCAA championship. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:57 pm to WikiTiger
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If Boise State becomes independent, will they be offered the same deal as Notre Dame in the BCS rules?
What about the other independent teams? Why aren't they treated the same?
but they kinda are.... any team who finishes in the top 2 plays for the title.
in 2 years, with the new deal, if you finish in the top 4 you make the playoff.
Boise does not have access, in most years, because their schedule is awful but that is largely because of teams being delegated to 8-9 conference games per year.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 2:58 pm to rocket31
Good thing ND pseudo joined the ACC...
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:00 pm to rocket31
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but they kinda are.... any team who finishes in the top 2 plays for the title.
in 2 years, with the new deal, if you finish in the top 4 you make the playoff.
Boise does not have access, in most years, because their schedule is awful but that is largely because of teams being delegated to 8-9 conference games per year.
We're referring to what is informally known as "the Notre Dame rule", which means an automatic BCS bid to the school if they finish in the top 8.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:00 pm to WikiTiger
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And even when the playoff does come in 2013 or 2014 (I can't remember), it's still not going to be an NCAA championship. That's ridiculous.
I don't think of the power conferences want it to be a NCAA championship, with the NCAA out of the picture they control the process and most importantly the $$$$.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:04 pm to fargobison
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I don't think of the power conferences want it to be a NCAA championship, with the NCAA out of the picture they control the process and most importantly the $$$$.
you're probably right on that. as a fan, though, I'd prefer to see it as a sanctioned championship.
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