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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:14 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:14 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I agree. Nice catch. And it makes me think it is Theon all the more.
However, I'm gonna stick with my guess: Mel wrote that letter.
The Pink Letter also mentions the wildling princess and her little prince.
Would Reek know of this?
However, I'm gonna stick with my guess: Mel wrote that letter.
The Pink Letter also mentions the wildling princess and her little prince.
Would Reek know of this?
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Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:24 pm to jrodLSUke
If Stannis told him, yes.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:28 pm to jrodLSUke
I think it could've very well been a collaborative effort between Theon and Stannis. Stannis using Theon to set the tone as Ramsay would. Theon would gladly see Jon come to the rescue to take out the Boltons at this point.
It's one of those things that I'm really interested in seeing play out in tWoW.
It's one of those things that I'm really interested in seeing play out in tWoW.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 5:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Sorry to bring back an old topic but I just ran across this post from Belle, nice catch. This is precisely the type hint GRRM gives that the letter actually comes from Stannis or someone in Stannis' camp. Someone who heard Theon's statement, not Ramsey/Roose. Nice Catch
I just read that the other day and I think it is pretty conclusive evidence that Stannis wrote that letter.
However, what is it supposed to accomplish? To get Jon to send down reinforcements? It may be intended to do that, considering Theon told Stannis about how the only group of Stannis supporters between him and are full of green boys and old men, but there is no way that Jon would be able to get Nights watch/The Free People down in time to assist Stannis in the coming battle.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:08 pm to MFn GIMP
I was very confused by the Pink Letter. My first reaction was to take it at face value and believe that Stannis was dead, but after I reread it and thought about it, I realized that we never saw any battle in any of the POVs (one of which was in Stannis's camp). I think the Theon connection is a great find. I'm not quite sure what it hopes to accomplish, though. I really hope Stannis isn't dead yet, because that would be too depressing to see Stannis and Jon killed one after the other.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:11 pm to kingbob
Stannis can't be dead, cause he's in the Theon chapter from WOW, right?
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:15 pm to putt23
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Stannis can't be dead, cause he's in the Theon chapter from WOW, right?
We don't know the timeline of that letter. It could have very well been sent AFTER the chapter we saw of TWOW
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:20 pm to MFn GIMP
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However, what is it supposed to accomplish?
This is what tells me it is not Stannis. Firstly, it just isn't in Stannis' character to use deception to get Jon to bring an army. He would order Jon to bring down an army.
Secondly, part of Stannis' plan was to unite the northmen against Bolton. And he couldn't do this with a Wildling army, which is why he took the route that he did.
So, that kind of eliminates Theon, because he is in chains.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:20 pm to CottonWasKing
no way stannis is dead imo
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:35 pm to Carson123987
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no way stannis is dead imo
I think something is gonna blow his mind, and/or he realizes something, he bends his knee rallies his army in support and either dies an amazing badass death in battle or is head of a major house. i hope anyway. i like him
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:37 pm to CottonWasKing
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We don't know the timeline of that letter. It could have very well been sent AFTER the chapter we saw of TWOW
And from that preview chapter we know that Stannis is outnumbered, that a group of Northmen with him are traitors, and that the only allies he has between him and Frey/Manderly is full of green boys and old men.
That doesn't necessarily mean Stannis is dead or that he lost the upcoming battle because Manderly doesn't like Bolton and could very easily turn on the Freys and ally himself with Stannis. But the question then becomes does Stannis accept the fealty of "Sir to fat to sit a horse?"
Posted on 9/17/12 at 7:53 pm to MFn GIMP
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That doesn't necessarily mean Stannis is dead
I don't believe he is.
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Manderly doesn't like Bolton and could very easily turn on the Freys and ally himself with Stannis.
I think he will. He hates the Bolton's and he has his son back. There is nothing keeping him loyal any longer.
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But the question then becomes does Stannis accept the fealty of "Sir to fat to sit a horse?"
The man is stubborn but hes not suicidal.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:02 pm to CottonWasKing
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The man is stubborn but hes not suicidal.
this, Stannis will accept his fealty and crush Bolton...or his head is on a pike above Winterfell.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:41 pm to jrodLSUke
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This is what tells me it is not Stannis. Firstly, it just isn't in Stannis' character to use deception to get Jon to bring an army. He would order Jon to bring down an army.
The only part of this that I'm hesitant to buy into is Stannis not wanting to be deceptive. He's still the same guy who ordered Davos to row Melisandre to Storm's End and unleash her shadow baby. He's a survivor more then anything and will use any means necessary for that.
And I still think the Frey's will have a little surprise for them when they arrive. I don't think all is as it seems.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 8:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think the Freys are fricked without Aenys. IMO, I think Manderly & Lady Ryswell wipe them out.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:50 pm to NIH
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I think the Freys are fricked..... I think Manderly & Lady Ryswell wipe them out.
The North remembers!
It is known.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:05 pm to NIH
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think the Freys are fricked without Aenys. IMO, I think Manderly & Lady Ryswell wipe them out.
Yep.
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Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
This thread title is so perfect. We have no clue what this fat genius is going to do to blow our collective minds. Go with the flow guys and gals.
It is going to be a helluva ride.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:21 pm to glassman
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It is going to be a helluva ride.
Well its actually been more like a lazy river that runs into a fricking 180ft waterfall on occassion. But yea I agree...
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:51 pm to CottonWasKing
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Well its actually been more like a lazy river that runs into a fricking 180ft waterfall on occassion. But yea I agree...
Probably the best description of a Song of Fire and Ice I have ever seen.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:57 pm to kingbob
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