re: Cuban and Stern on College

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Average Bowl rating not BCS game.

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i don't give a frick about non-BCS bowls

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chandler became a player

eddie curry was lazy. he was great at his peak when he gave a frick. college wouldn't change that. there are plenty of big men who came from college who ate themselves out of the league

kwame would have been picked highly regardless (see: thabeet)

bender had injuries

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The risk involved with taking HS players in the top of the lottery is what bothered the NBA. Chandler was not a hit for the Bulls. They traded him for a bag of basketballs to the Hornets.

Look at DeAndre Jordan. He was going to be drafted high like Eddy Curry coming out of HS just because of size/athleticism. Had an awful, awful year in collge, came out anyway, and was a 2nd round pick. To his credit, he developed and is now an average starting C. They can live with that type of risk.

Again, the NBA's biggest problem is the majority of GMs are just plain dumb.

ETA: Also again, I am not for an age limit at all. I understand why the NBA did it, but it doesn't make any sense if they want to have a better product.

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that's maybe the stupiest idea I've ever heard. Doesn't he risk injury in HS too? Maybe they should stop playing their Sr year in HS as well

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What's the probability of injury in a top level sporting event vs a shower. Football and basketball are high risk sports where people have career ending injuries.

The kid is risking injury when he's talented enough and qualified to make millions. He's playing a full contact sport to make others rich while making no money. It is unacceptable. If you're not good enough to play in the NBA or NFL, then a scholarship is a great reward. If you're a top tier player that isn't going to college for a degree anyhow, then a scholarship isn't worth much. The risk of injury is far greater than the reward of a scholarship that will be nowhere near the amount of money you lost in those three years. That scholarship will set NBA ready players back millions of dollars and they still won't have a degree after 3 years. Their career is short in athletics and you've stolen three years of it and given it to the NCAA.

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His career is playing football and you are suggesting he would help that by not playing football

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He was NFL bound and he would have been drafted higher by not playing that game. Once you've proven yourself, you have nothing to play for. He lost money and was lucky to not lose his career. He was a top 5 pick with nothing to play for. I understand loving college sports, however I would take millions of dollars rather than a shot to win a college game for nothing. Most people in here will never make millions. If they had the chance, then I doubt they'd risk it. That is what we're asking NBA ready players to do for 3 years. It's insane.

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I've yet to see an example of a BB hurt so bad in college that he never played again.

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In football they're pretty common... medical redshirt and such. In basketball, ACL tears aren't what they used to be, however a microfracture surgery is different.

Plenty of players have lost careers in basketball due to blowing out their knee in the past. Surgeries are better now but I still don't think it is fair to ask a player to risk rehabbing a year and having their draft stock go through the floor. Instead of a career ending injury, you've created a career impeding injury.

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Oden was still the #1 pick and had a career and made lots of money.

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He wouldn't have been drafted if he played three years in college.

You're talking about taking rights away from a worker to help GMs for a multi-billion dollar corporation. These kids are forced into college to make other people rich as they're unpaid professional athletes. The system exploits these kids and stunts their career growth. They're old enough to die for their country, they're old enough to serve alcohol in a bar, they're old enough to do almost anything except start a career in which they have to get drafted. They're getting drafted because a team wants them and believes they are skilled enough to play. Basically the NBA is saying our GMs are so inept that we have to protect them from their own stupidity even at the expense of qualified adult employees.

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I've yet to see an example of a BB hurt so bad in college that he never played again.

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By the way these five guys pretty much got their careers destroyed by college injuries:

Robbie Hummel
Randy Livingston
Donald Williams
DeSean Butler
Ronald Steele

Randy Livingston was a sure thing. A torn ACL and a broken knee cap in two years turned him from a hall of fame prospect to a journeyman. Yes he still made it to the NBA but he went from being a top tier player to a guy that bounced around to nine different teams. I know with the amount of LSU fans on here that people saw Randy when he a freak of nature.

Williams regrets not leaving early. Steele has played a bit overseas. Hummel lost a ton of money. Da'Sean Butler is in the NBDL.

A lot of the problem is that these guys lost their chance. They can return to basketball but there are younger guys with equal talent that haven't been injured. You can easily miss your window.

Livingston and Williams are two guys that were really hurt for sure. Williams got talked into staying by Dean Smith and Livingston left college after 32 games.