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re: Cuban and Stern on College
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:32 pm to HoLeInOnEr05
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:32 pm to HoLeInOnEr05
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If this were to happen, I truely think that the mid-majors would lose their luster again. One of the things that helped them was the fact that guys were together 3-4 years, so they were more mature when it came tournament time.
I'm not so sure on this point. It would make it harder for the mid majors in the sense that every team would be together longer negating some of the chemistry/system/experience advantages the mid majors are able to capitalize on.
However, the trickle down or domino effect of talent would mean that the mid major would end up with better players. Kentucky wouldn't have gotten 3 recruiting classes in a row like they have if guys weren't leaving after one year. If they have to stay 3, some of those guys go elsewhere.
That spreads the talent out more, but it also starts a domino effect of guys that may have signed with a school like Iowa St or South Florida now going to a Southern Illinois or Western Kentucky.
If the coaching on the college level improved as the talent would by keeping the kids longer, college basketball wouldn't have the attendance/ratings issues it has currently in the regular season.
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:36 pm to usc6158
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I'd be in favor of the current baseball rule. There's no reason for guys like Lebron to ever step foot on a college campus, but once someone decides to go to college a 2 or 3 year commitment should be perfectly reasonable
This. College basketball would get worse before it would get better though. You would have about 5 years where too many high schoolers would enter the draft, only to have about 6-10 guys taken each year. Eventually they would realize college would be a better alternative. However, if the NBA expanded the draft and set up a "minor-league" system, then basketball would become just like college baseball in that the majority of guys making up the team would be "second tier" talent.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:38 pm to chalmetteowl
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let's say the next blake griffin in college in his third year blows out his knee
and lets say on his way to the draft he gets hit by a bus.
Name me the last college basketball player you can think of that got hurt so bad, he never played again.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:42 pm to jacks40
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Happens in both football and baseball. And there is a chance that same player might suffer that injury in the pros unless it is a total freak injury. People say that every year in football, that they should've left earlier and yet, they still have a phenomenal injury free season. Very rarely do they suffer a career ending injury
Sam Bradford hurt his throwing shoulder and missed the entire 2009 season and was still the #1 overall pick. There are just as many guys that went pro early and weren't drafted high that might have benenfited from another year of CFB as there are guys that hurt themselves either with injury or poor play by going back.
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Let's just go back to no rule.
as long as the NBA, which is a private busiess and their Union agree, I don't care if they let guys come out at 16 or won't draft them without a Masters.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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as an idea, its fine, I just don't know if the DL is something that could be marginally profitable or just hemorage money, of course I think the lose money on the WNBA, so...
Y'all need to focus on this. While a skip and go pro or go to college for 3 rule coupled with the D-League as minor league system would improve the product, there is no getting around how much money I would assume the D-League would lose.
I'm just guessing, but I think minor league baseball teams financially make it or don't largely on their own merits. That is why that system works.
If the NBA goes to the go pro now or college 3 year rule, I think they will either have to swallow losing a shite ton in the D-League, or when that possibly inevitably folds, eat the kids salary as he rides the pine every night on their roster.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 1:05 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
You have to understand, IF they set it up that way, there are not going to be any HS to starting in pros the next year. They will HAVE to go to the D-league, much like a HS kid in baseball HAS to go to the minors. So if kids HAVE to go to the D-league for a couple of years, maybe they look at college. If they decide they are good enough and want a salary then they go to the D-league. That simple.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 1:40 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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It creates more parody in college as big time players won't all go to the same team and ride the bench. Also, the extra development will make players more pro ready.
parity.
no it doesnt.
there is more parity now.
with the best players going pro after one or two years, the mid-majors that keep their guys 3 and 4 years can compete.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 1:43 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
It would definitely make CBB a lot better.
Not sure if it would really have any major impact at all in the NBA.
2 years of playing in the NBA is going to an improve a player exponentially more than 2 years playing in college.
Not sure if it would really have any major impact at all in the NBA.
2 years of playing in the NBA is going to an improve a player exponentially more than 2 years playing in college.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Name me the last college basketball player you can think of that got hurt so bad, he never played again.
Jaime Lloerda!
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:13 pm to DestrehanTiger
I'm fine with this as well, don't hire an agent and if you get drafted... go. But if you don't, or its not until the 4th round, then go to college for 3 years and build your skills. It will make the college game even better in my opinion as now the stars would be around for more than one year to follow. Plus with full schollys, unlike baseball's partial schollys it is much more fair to the athlete students.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:20 pm to Tennessee Jed
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2 years of playing in the NBA is going to an improve a player exponentially more than 2 years playing in college.
Mike Dunleavy even said that he learned more about basketball during his first year in the NBA than he did in three years playing for Coach K at Duke.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:37 pm to chalmetteowl
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let's say the next blake griffin in college in his third year blows out his knee... when everyone knows he should have been playing those years in the NBA. fans are gonna feel cheated that players are stuck in college longer than they have to be. players who are too good for college ball will get bored with it.
Boo fricking hoo.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:38 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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I see action happening after the season is over.
i'll take that bet
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:41 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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They will HAVE to go to the D-league, much like a HS kid in baseball HAS to go to the minors.
baseball players HAVE to go to the minors?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
As stupid as it is that many players spend all their money, its a good thing for the rest of us because that money goes into the economy and takes it out of an idiots' hands.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Name me one player in the last 20 years that got drafted out of HS and started right away on an MLB roster? So, an 18-19 year old kid. That would be 0. A-Rod was 18 when he debuted but that was after a year in the minors. So, no it probably isn't a rule, but one of many unwritten rules in baseball where a prospect has to start in the minors. And this will be a major topic in the offseason, as it was a focus of the CBA agreement and they decided to wait. Stern wants to talk about, Cuban is now involved, it will be discussed in the offseason.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:09 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Name me one player in the last 20 years that got drafted out of HS and started right away on an MLB roster?
That doesn't mean the HAVE to go to the minors, but its a different sport, with and entire different skill set than. Also the baseball draft is in midseason, nnot the offseason like other sports.
FWIW Dwight Gooden was DOMINATING at 19, just 1 year out of HS. IF the baseball draft
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:12 pm to barry
Lebron
Kobe
KG
Bynum
All succeeded with no college play.
Kobe
KG
Bynum
All succeeded with no college play.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:17 pm to Jcorye1
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Kobe
Not until his 3rd year in the league.
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Lebron
Once in a generation player.
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Bynum
Didn't start contributing till his 3rd year.
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KG
And Garnett did better his 2nd year, but again it could be argued he is apart of a select few of players like Lebron and Kobe. Also, it can be argued that a big player like Bynum and Garnett has an easier transition to the NBA then any other type of player.
And, you can make a list 3 times as long of players that weren't successful that didn't go to college.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 3:24 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
When basketball players can focus on basketball year round, and not be limited by class and NCAA rules they become better players.
If anything Kobe, Lebron, Bynum, KG would have taken more time to develop into superstars, if they'd been forced to attend college. Because they wouldn't have been languishing in a flawed and outdated development system. (CBB)
If you're a pro basketball talent, you need to play pro basketball. not wasting your time studying math and writing freshman english papers.
I'm 100% for the development and enrichment of the D-League. I'd love to see us get to the point where a kid that has pro aspirations goes to the minors, instead of wasting everyone's time pretending to be a "student athlete"
THAT, is what it would take to really improve the NBA.
If anything Kobe, Lebron, Bynum, KG would have taken more time to develop into superstars, if they'd been forced to attend college. Because they wouldn't have been languishing in a flawed and outdated development system. (CBB)
If you're a pro basketball talent, you need to play pro basketball. not wasting your time studying math and writing freshman english papers.
I'm 100% for the development and enrichment of the D-League. I'd love to see us get to the point where a kid that has pro aspirations goes to the minors, instead of wasting everyone's time pretending to be a "student athlete"
THAT, is what it would take to really improve the NBA.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 3:29 pm
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