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Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:11 am to JJ27
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Are you kidding? They played USC
Oh ok a team that our fans would swear up and down we would have crushed that year. Haha. What about JJ playing against bama 09, bama 10, auburn 10, UF, Arkansas, Moo State. Ole miss is about on par.
Oh and guess what i recall auburn getting shut out by usc in 03. campbell threw for 121 0td 1int had -25 yds rushing. Against aub jj only threw for 46 yds but had 74 yds rushing and 1 td. I say JJ still wins that contest. Campbell threw for about 270 1td 2ints against bama in 03 which was an inferior team to aub at the time. JJ threw for 141 1td 0int, and only had 3 incompletions. Not bad for a far inferior passer who had just about a perfect game against lord sabans defense.
So my point is... if Jason campbell can improve all around as a player from jr year to sr year, then why cant JJ? hell why cant lee?
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 1:15 am
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:12 am to tiger chaser
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All those comments DO NOT SAY anything about JJ starting and playing the ENTIRE season
That's what I got out of it as well.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:14 am to dgnx6
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What about JJ playing against bama 09, bama 10, auburn 10, UF, Arkansas, Moo State. Ole miss is about on par.
Pretty sure all of those teams were in the SEC. You were talking about OOC games.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:17 am to JJ27
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Pretty sure all of those teams were in the SEC. You were talking about OOC games.
Yeah but i also added how much weaker the sec west was back then. Guess you dont argue that? Which is why i said as a whole JJ plaid tougher competition.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:18 am to dgnx6
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So my point is... if Jason campbell can improve all around as a player from jr year to sr year, then why cant JJ? hell why cant lee?
I was one of, if not the first one to compare JJ to Campbell on this board. Started the comparison after Vandy. Was praying Crowton would leave and we'd get someone to work with him. I pray JJ indeed does turn it around because he WILL start for LSU. I was just saying that 10 LSU's OOC schedule was not "Much harder" than 03 Auburn's.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:23 am to JJ27
I was strictly going on the perceptions of the teams at the time they played them. Its not like LSU was picked by everyone to beat UNC and West VA regardless of what players were playing or not. Actually i heard a lot of 7-5 being spit around.
Aub went 7-5 and finished 3rd in the west, LSU went 10-2 and finished 3rd in the west.
They actually lost to ga tech that year.
But i still think he can be the qb we need him to be to make a run at the sec west, if Krags is really working with him and the other qbs. Cus if not then i expect to see mett bail us out of some close ones.
Aub went 7-5 and finished 3rd in the west, LSU went 10-2 and finished 3rd in the west.
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Damn that's bad.
They actually lost to ga tech that year.
But i still think he can be the qb we need him to be to make a run at the sec west, if Krags is really working with him and the other qbs. Cus if not then i expect to see mett bail us out of some close ones.
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 2:16 am
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
Campbell attempted 293 passes and scored 10tds. Jason scored on 3.41% off his passes.
JJ attempted 209 and scored 7tds. JJ scored on 3.34% of his passes.
Pretty damn close, again for a far inferior passer. Jordan scored 14 total tds, campbell 11. And i know people wouldnt give a shite who the qb was as long as we score.
Biggest stat for me is Aub went 8-5 while LSU went 11-2. You can argue LSU had better defense, but we didnt have cadillac, ronnie, and B. Jacobs. We had Jordan and Stevan.
People can use stats to prove why JJ sucks yet i cant use them to prove he was just as if not more productive his jr year than jason campbell?
JJ attempted 209 and scored 7tds. JJ scored on 3.34% of his passes.
Pretty damn close, again for a far inferior passer. Jordan scored 14 total tds, campbell 11. And i know people wouldnt give a shite who the qb was as long as we score.
Biggest stat for me is Aub went 8-5 while LSU went 11-2. You can argue LSU had better defense, but we didnt have cadillac, ronnie, and B. Jacobs. We had Jordan and Stevan.
People can use stats to prove why JJ sucks yet i cant use them to prove he was just as if not more productive his jr year than jason campbell?
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 2:02 am
Posted on 4/27/11 at 8:57 am to dgnx6
But your argument is JJ can improve like Campbell did?
So far from the evidence most (not all) would agree to there was very little difference in spring game JJ versus last season JJ.
To make a substantive leap forward which JJ needs to be even considered a mediocre qb I would think the player would need to have a mindset that he needs to make a big improvement. Saying I have been here for 3 years and I think I have played well and deserve to start does not seem like the mindset of a player bent on the need to make great improvement?????
So far from the evidence most (not all) would agree to there was very little difference in spring game JJ versus last season JJ.
To make a substantive leap forward which JJ needs to be even considered a mediocre qb I would think the player would need to have a mindset that he needs to make a big improvement. Saying I have been here for 3 years and I think I have played well and deserve to start does not seem like the mindset of a player bent on the need to make great improvement?????
Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:21 am to Rudy40
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So far from the evidence most (not all) would agree to there was very little difference in spring game JJ versus last season JJ.
If you watched the two games you wouldn't say that.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:36 am to Bobby Moore
This is why LSU will be ranked in the 100's again.My optimism for JJ has been exhausted.Kid can make plays with his running ability but,that's what RB's are for.100 yds.passing a game won't cut it.
Posted on 4/27/11 at 9:36 am to Jaydeaux
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If you watched the two games you wouldn't say that.
There were two spring games????????
Posted on 4/27/11 at 11:42 am to dgnx6
at no other major College Football team in America would JJ be allowed to play the way he has and still be a starter. Les is to loyal to a fault
Posted on 4/27/11 at 11:44 am to dgnx6
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dgnx6
Posted on 4/27/11 at 11:48 am to tduecen
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Kid can make plays with his running ability but,that's what RB's are for.100 yds.passing a game won't cut it.
Actually JJ failed to exceed 100 yards passing in 8 of the 13 games last year so it might be more accurate to say 75 yards passing a game wont cut it!
Posted on 4/27/11 at 12:12 pm to Rudy40
quote:I guess that depends on what you were looking at.
So far from the evidence most (not all) would agree to there was very little difference in spring game JJ versus last season JJ.
From a mechanics standpoint, he looked lightyears better than any point in his collegiate career. Lee did, too.
If you were looking for stats, well. . .he looked the same. Most casual fans look for stats, because they lack real understanding of what a scrimmage is. . .
JJ played with an injured thumb that got aggravated during the game, so should be taken with that in mind. He wore a glove, and it helped with his grip until Maclin hit his thumb.
What I saw that made me hopeful for the coming season at QB are thus:
1) JJ: is pointing his feet and turning his hips. He is also getting the ball out much quicker than he ever has, and his release point is higher. His INT was a shitty throw, but a good decision.
2) JL: He still isn't stepping into his throws, but he didn't throw off his back foot. That is a solid improvement. His INT was a good throw, but a shitty decision.
3) Mett: Clearly the most talented (And it isn't close), but threw a bit like a hotshot HS kid. I mean that he clearly needs to work to get familiar with the speed of our WR's and the ability of SEC DB's.
I think that, as it stands right now, JJ gives us the best chance to beat OU. I think Mett will overtake JJ at some point this season. Miles will play the guy who gives us the best chance to win. . .as he has since he has been here, despite bullshite Rant memes.
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/27/11 at 12:25 pm to dgnx6
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People can use stats to prove why JJ sucks yet i cant use them to prove he was just as if not more productive his jr year than jason campbell?
Jason Campbell wasn't that good his junior year. Not sure why you are comparing those seasons
But expecting JJ to improve as much as Campbell did is asking A LOT. Campbell's senior year was almost unheard of in SEC play. He set the record for QB Rating in a season and had something like a 70% completion percentage. That is just insane.
Now don't get me wrong, I really hope JJ can improve and match those numbers. But the improvement you are expecting may not be as great as Campbell's improvement. Sure JJ can improve, but don't expect a 70% completion percentage with an unheard of QB rating.
This post was edited on 4/27/11 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/27/11 at 1:39 pm to Chimlim
quote:It wasn't as bad as people wanna make it out to be... I mean he had a 132 QB rating, Jefferson as a sophomore had a 137 QB rating... Campbell as a Sophomore had like a 149 QB Rating...
Jason Campbell wasn't that good his junior year
Plus Campbell still had 62% completion percentage and 2400 yards passing as a Junior. Which isn't bad at all, doubt there would have been a QB debate had Jefferson duplicated those numbers last year.
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