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rant myths
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:48 am
the best statement i've heard recently is that the rant is damaged beyond repair.
ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement). since that's the case, miles HAS TO BE doing something right other than living off someone else's recruiting or being good at recruiting himself. if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu. according to rantards, miles gets "outcoached". how is it possible he continues to keep lsu in the top 3rd of the sec?
ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation. and don't bring up the thread that shows his offenses get worse. one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference. the other couple of examples were based on two year stints which hardly constitutes as proof that crowton's offenses regress.
ex c: miles can't manage a game/gets outcoached. this statement is just plain ignorant. tons of coaching decisions are made every game. no coach is perfect. people continually blame miles for "mistakes" but completely ignore mistakes made by other coaches in games. and btw, those other coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success. how is that possible? furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach. it's about the entire staff and lsu has a good one. that's why lsu continues to have success.
ex d: miles isn't earning his paycheck. mistakes like in the ole miss game are unacceptable for his paygrade. miles isn't SOLELY payed to win games. miles is paid to do ALOT of things, among which winning games is one of them. lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible). he recruits well. he has an acceptable graduation rate. he represents the university adequately. he is adept at hiring assistants. if you want to think that winning games tops the list for his evaluation then, you should be happy he is keeping lsu in the top 3rd of the toughest conference in america.
i never thought any rant myth would surpass the offense playcalling in the auburn '06 game but, it's actually happened.
edited for people who take things out of context.
ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement). since that's the case, miles HAS TO BE doing something right other than living off someone else's recruiting or being good at recruiting himself. if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu. according to rantards, miles gets "outcoached". how is it possible he continues to keep lsu in the top 3rd of the sec?
ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation. and don't bring up the thread that shows his offenses get worse. one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference. the other couple of examples were based on two year stints which hardly constitutes as proof that crowton's offenses regress.
ex c: miles can't manage a game/gets outcoached. this statement is just plain ignorant. tons of coaching decisions are made every game. no coach is perfect. people continually blame miles for "mistakes" but completely ignore mistakes made by other coaches in games. and btw, those other coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success. how is that possible? furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach. it's about the entire staff and lsu has a good one. that's why lsu continues to have success.
ex d: miles isn't earning his paycheck. mistakes like in the ole miss game are unacceptable for his paygrade. miles isn't SOLELY payed to win games. miles is paid to do ALOT of things, among which winning games is one of them. lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible). he recruits well. he has an acceptable graduation rate. he represents the university adequately. he is adept at hiring assistants. if you want to think that winning games tops the list for his evaluation then, you should be happy he is keeping lsu in the top 3rd of the toughest conference in america.
i never thought any rant myth would surpass the offense playcalling in the auburn '06 game but, it's actually happened.
edited for people who take things out of context.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:12 am
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:51 am to bfniii
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:51 am to bfniii
Your parenthetical remarks say alot about the weakness of your argument (maybe you even secretly recognize that weakness).
I'm not seeing the reductio ad absurdum part.
I'm not seeing the reductio ad absurdum part.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:58 am to bfniii
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miles isn't payed to win games
Might be the single dumbest statement on this site.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:00 am to bfniii
This post is a joke, but I dont feel like disputing pretty much every other sentence, because I dont feel like arguing with you and all of Miles' crusaders but:
STFU- why was he given a raise after WINNING the NC?
So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
If anyone wants to give Miles credit for making good hires, then give him credit for hiring DJ McCarthy too.
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miles isn't payed to win games
STFU- why was he given a raise after WINNING the NC?
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lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible).
So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
If anyone wants to give Miles credit for making good hires, then give him credit for hiring DJ McCarthy too.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:02 am to bfniii
I agree with 3 of 4, but Crowton still sucks. Yes, even if he stays, the offense will improve, but it won't improve enough to warrant his staying in my opinion.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:04 am to bfniii
You left out KW calves. 
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:14 am to bfniii
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if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu.
hell no
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his offense has had one really bad season
it wasn't exactly good last year
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one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference
he ran the offense at byu
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lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible).
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he recruits well.
you disagree with this. and i quote:
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this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters
part 2:
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and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement
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he represents the university adequately.
like a moron? he's a national joke, literally
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he is adept at hiring assistants.
earl lane
mallory
peveto
crowton
stud
all fails. big fails
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:21 am to bfniii
Wow. Let me take some batting practice on this weak arse cheese:
107th out of 120 teams sucks. SUCKS bad. Sucks all day along. One year? ONE YEAR? Last year our QN set an all time record for most INTs returned for touchdowns. This isn't the first year.
Really? Miles has more success than Saban? Really Miles has more success than Meyer? Nutt has won three in a row against Miles.
And this is exactly how why a completely horrible and inept coach like Miles could have a team that's 9-3. Did you mention that talent differential is also a factor???? Nooooo, that can't be since all teams have "basically" the same talent.
Really? What's he paid to do -- lose them? Why do coaches get fired then? Isn't because they lose games? Didn't Notre Dame just fire Charlie Weiss because he didn't win enough games. And they hired another guy because they thought he's win a lot of games.
Wait a minute. How are you claiming that Miles recruits well??? Didn't you just say that all teams have "basically" the same talent??? And didn;t you say we weren't supposed to pay attention to the recruiting rankings. Miles was the beneficiary of a former coach who recruited well and that's why LSU has a lot of players in the NFL. Did you see the OL this year? The DL? Do see what it looks like for next year?
Have you ever heard the guy talk??? He makes Bush look like Obama.
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ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement).
LSU currently has more players on NFL players as any other team. Talent is not "basically the same". For the last five years LSU has had more of it, but that is changing.
[quote]ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation.
107th out of 120 teams sucks. SUCKS bad. Sucks all day along. One year? ONE YEAR? Last year our QN set an all time record for most INTs returned for touchdowns. This isn't the first year.
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coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success.
Really? Miles has more success than Saban? Really Miles has more success than Meyer? Nutt has won three in a row against Miles.
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furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach.
And this is exactly how why a completely horrible and inept coach like Miles could have a team that's 9-3. Did you mention that talent differential is also a factor???? Nooooo, that can't be since all teams have "basically" the same talent.
quote:
miles isn't payed to win games.
Really? What's he paid to do -- lose them? Why do coaches get fired then? Isn't because they lose games? Didn't Notre Dame just fire Charlie Weiss because he didn't win enough games. And they hired another guy because they thought he's win a lot of games.
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he recruits well.
Wait a minute. How are you claiming that Miles recruits well??? Didn't you just say that all teams have "basically" the same talent??? And didn;t you say we weren't supposed to pay attention to the recruiting rankings. Miles was the beneficiary of a former coach who recruited well and that's why LSU has a lot of players in the NFL. Did you see the OL this year? The DL? Do see what it looks like for next year?
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represents the university adequately.
Have you ever heard the guy talk??? He makes Bush look like Obama.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:29 am to bfniii
Fire Miles Hire Kiffin... TIA
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:37 am to bfniii
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each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement).
this statement must be stricken from the record because it emasculates any and all arguments put forward by the anti-miles mutts that permeate this forum. without the 'big lie' that states unequivocally that LSU has superior three deep talent at every position these morons would have zero credence and frankly...nothing to live for. as for the rivals rankings, many of the prospects who helped to comprise those lofty rankings have either been exposed as talent challenged or have suffered self implosion.
great post filled with logic and truth...something many on the rant are incapable of understanding or will reject out of hand because it does not fit their agenda.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:16 am to bfniii
Thanks for the post.
It's sad that there are people on here who want Miles gone no matter what. Having been a Tiger fan for most of my 59 years, I've seen the best and the worst. Some of these guys make me sick. These are great times. CLM will do what needs to be done, because there ARE problems. They will be fixed.
Sad thing is, some folks here hate to see him do better because it might mean he would be here longer. Not THAT'S hateful. I still remember the cretin that insisted several weeks ago that he and the folks around him at the NCG in New Orleans when we beat Ohio State, were really upset because it meant Miles would have to be around longer. How utterly SICK is that?
It's sad that there are people on here who want Miles gone no matter what. Having been a Tiger fan for most of my 59 years, I've seen the best and the worst. Some of these guys make me sick. These are great times. CLM will do what needs to be done, because there ARE problems. They will be fixed.
Sad thing is, some folks here hate to see him do better because it might mean he would be here longer. Not THAT'S hateful. I still remember the cretin that insisted several weeks ago that he and the folks around him at the NCG in New Orleans when we beat Ohio State, were really upset because it meant Miles would have to be around longer. How utterly SICK is that?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:57 am to bfniii
quote:While I agree with the bold portion. . .
crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation.
quote:
2006 (Jimbo & Searles' last year)
Total Offense: 11
Passing: 18
Rushing: 31
Sacks allowed: 24 (19)
2007
Total Offense: 26
Passing: 58
Rushing: 11
Sacks allowed: 66 (30)
2008
Total Offense: 55
Passing: 71
Rushing: 43
Sacks allowed: 45 (22)
2009
Total Offense: 108
Passing: 99
Rushing: 84
Sacks allowed: 107 (35)
One bad year?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:05 pm to bfniii
this is retarded
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:18 pm to bfniii
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this is reductio ad absurdum.
hot dang it! the rant done gone and got us a lawyer.
your post is spot on. it hits the nail on the head. it gets to the heart of the matter. it pierces the center of the target. it is perfectamundo.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:27 pm to bfniii
quote:
rant myths
the best statement i've heard recently is that the rant is damaged beyond repair.
ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement). since that's the case, miles HAS TO BE doing something right other than living off someone else's recruiting or being good at recruiting himself. if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu. according to rantards, miles gets "outcoached". how is it possible he continues to keep lsu in the top 3rd of the sec?
ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation. and don't bring up the thread that shows his offenses get worse. one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference. the other couple of examples were based on two year stints which hardly constitutes as proof that crowton's offenses regress.
ex c: miles can't manage a game/gets outcoached. this statement is just plain ignorant. tons of coaching decisions are made every game. no coach is perfect. people continually blame miles for "mistakes" but completely ignore mistakes made by other coaches in games. and btw, those other coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success. how is that possible? furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach. it's about the entire staff and lsu has a good one. that's why lsu continues to have success.
ex d: miles isn't earning his paycheck. mistakes like in the ole miss game are unacceptable for his paygrade. miles isn't SOLELY payed to win games. miles is paid to do ALOT of things, among which winning games is one of them. lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible). he recruits well. he has an acceptable graduation rate. he represents the university adequately. he is adept at hiring assistants. if you want to think that winning games tops the list for his evaluation then, you should be happy he is keeping lsu in the top 3rd of the toughest conference in america.
i never thought any rant myth would surpass the offense playcalling in the auburn '06 game but, it's actually happened.
edited for people who take things out of context.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:38 pm to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
Les, is that you???
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:29 pm to bfniii
Everyone know more than LSU coaches......
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:44 pm to bfniii
quote:= biggest LSU homer, Miles worshiper, program crusader on the internet today. Do you EVER have any constructive criticism of the program? Cause if you don't, this is why all your arguments fall flat.
bfniii
You remind me of the big boobed, blond cheerleader on the sidelines yelling "two bits", when we are down by 24 points in the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 6:39 pm to bfniii
Did someone add in the Rant's Jefferson sucks myth?
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