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re: Rooftop Solar is about to collapse -Time Mag.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:26 am to DesScorp
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:26 am to DesScorp
They must be struggling...I get at least 3-4 calls a week from sometimes the same and sometimes different solar companies that want to come out and make me a deal on solar panals
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:27 am to ghost2most
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It's nice having a $50 electric bill in the summer when it's 108 out and my neighbors are paying $500+
My relatives in Phoenix got the same savings by just re-insulating their house and getting a new AC unit. Most houses out west are extremely low quality.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:35 am to KLSU
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What happens when you need a new roof when you have solar panels mounted on it?
Not sure how that works, honestly. They obviously have to b removed and re-installed. Not sure if insurance would cover that or we'll have to pay for it. I'll find out when we cross that bridge. Roof is relatively new as well, so it will be a bit before I have to find out
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:36 am to Smeg
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No, it just means you're stupid. The panels cost $30k and will never yield $30K+ in savings. When the government wastes tax dollars to supplement the costs - it's a "good deal" to the person receiving the handout but an overall waste of money because the total cost exceed the benefits.
Once the government stops subsidizing them, no one will buy them, because they are a waste of money.
Yeah, I was talking about the cost of the consumer. It paid for itself from his perspective. But yeah, it sounds like the overall benefit of this endeavor is pointless, as I'm admittedly learning in this thread. And since you decided to be a dick about it, frick YOU!
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:37 am to winkchance
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Lighting is a perfect example. Solar lighting is pretty good for residential and could be useful for public roads, but instead of staying in its lane the left has destroyed this industry like they do most things. Selling people on solar being a stand alone power source was always nonsense and no one could give you a straight answer about future maintenance because they simply did not know.
we redid our entire backyard this last year and i dropped about $2-300 on different solar lighting solutions and it's honestly great. whole yard is lit up from sundown till about 11 PM if they get a full day of sun. and you can walk out and fill safe walking around my entire back yard.
then they stop working.
i feel the same about this as i do electric cars. it's great as a supplement and can work for the people willing to pay the premium.
if the bandaid (subsidies) gets ripped off then it's going to crash.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:39 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Yeah, I was talking about the cost of the consumer. It paid for itself from his perspective.
Yes, but that's not the "true cost".
That's why I said:
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
And you replied "that doesn't add up".
That's because you are stupid.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:44 am to winkchance
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Lighting is a perfect example. Solar lighting is pretty good for residential and could be useful for public roads
Solar lighting is terrible
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:44 am to Smeg
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
Beyond that, many of them were poorly, improperly installed which is causing leaks and roof damage. Doesn't take much to wipe out the ROI when you have to hire someone to remove the PV installation, repair the roof, then reinstall the PV panels properly to code. Solar panels themselves are not an inspectable item for a home inspector but the roof penetrations are and many buyers see them as a liability now.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:46 am to KLSU
quote:id be ideal if you replace the roof at installation and if you're investing that much, might as well do metal roof.
What happens when you need a new roof when you have solar panels mounted on it?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:49 am to Smeg
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Yes, but that's not the "true cost".
That's why I said:
The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
Yes, I needed some clarification on what the "true cost" was, because the two generalized statements didn't add up.
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And you replied "that doesn't add up".
That's because you are stupid.
And you are an a-hole.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:50 am to ghost2most
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Ya'll love to hate on solar but mine paid for themselves in about 5 years.
Which solar panel company do you work for? I'd like to make a deal on that! Put you money where you spew that bullshite!
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:52 am to Smeg
Correct, and the only money the government has is what it forcibly takes from taxpayers.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:55 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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And you are an a-hole.
Well, I can be nice tomorrow
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:58 am to Smeg
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It's real simple.
The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
They're only a good deal if someone else pays for them.
It's almost like they are too good to be true.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:04 am to DesScorp
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a $3 billion loan guarantee from the Department of Energy while facing numerous complaints about troubling sales practices that targeted low-income and elderly homeowners.
Notice how the entire industry is one giant scam. It starts at the top with government, and trickles all the way down to the most vulnerable citizens.
Solar companies are just the middlemen in the scam.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:15 am to MikeD
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
Well yea, but I think they are nifty.
The sun's energy is going directly to my Margaritaville blender.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:44 am to Smeg
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
If you use one of those rip-off companies that have huge commissions on top of everything else.
I’ve ordered and installed my own equipment. It should pay for itself in about 7 years. On top of that I have another available power source during power outages. And the ability to disconnect from the grid if I ever needed to.
So there are definitely other benefits from Solar besides its ability to pay for itself over time.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:51 am to Randman
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If you use one of those rip-off companies that have huge commissions on top of everything else. I’ve ordered and installed my own equipment. It should pay for itself in about 7 years. On top of that I have another available power source during power outages. And the ability to disconnect from the grid if I ever needed to. So there are definitely other benefits from Solar besides its ability to pay for itself over time.
So this makes two people in this thread who actually have rooftop solar, and have posted positive comments.
Just curious if those who have been so negative are posting based on their experience?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:57 am to KLSU
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I've always wondered what happens when you need a new roof when you have solar panels mounted on it? I am sure having to remove all the panels then put them back would not be cheap and not government subsidized either.
95% when someone gets a new roof, it's because insurance is paying for it. Insurance pays to "detach and reset" solar panels. They'll pay for new panels themselves if they are damaged by the storm but will only pay to take them down and reinstall if they aren't damaged.
Seen insurance companies not pay for the section where the solar panels are though since the shingles underneath weren't damaged from the storm. Most of the time we can get the whole roof paid for but crappy insurance companies like Allstate and State Farm will try to screw the homeowners and just do a partial replacement.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:59 am to BhamBlazeDog
I also took advantage of the subsidies and have been happy with the results. It's well known that if you take the subsidies away it's not really worth it. My portion was paid for in 4 years of savings.
Whether or not I would foot 100% of the bill of a replacement is going to depend on the longevity of my current system and the cost of removal and replacement. My rough math is that the overall savings will not warrant the full cost of the replacement. I'll be glad to share my data when that time comes.
I'm not some environmentalist nut job that thinks that solar is the answer. I think there's not enough objective data out there on the subject and too many people have a strong opinion on the subject (for financial or ideological reasons).
Whether or not I would foot 100% of the bill of a replacement is going to depend on the longevity of my current system and the cost of removal and replacement. My rough math is that the overall savings will not warrant the full cost of the replacement. I'll be glad to share my data when that time comes.
I'm not some environmentalist nut job that thinks that solar is the answer. I think there's not enough objective data out there on the subject and too many people have a strong opinion on the subject (for financial or ideological reasons).
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 12:00 pm
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