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re: Going for 2 in that situation.

Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:12 pm to
Posted by Vidic
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:12 pm to
Can you educate me? Hey “math” are you going off of?
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:13 pm to
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Kick it. Then you can decide whether or not to go for 2 and the win, if you score another TD.


But then you only get one chance to win or lose. The Buccs missed it but still didn’t lose by going for it first.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:15 pm to
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Can you educate me? Hey “math” are you going off of?




-8 margin after the TD says you go for 2 every time after halftime.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 5:15 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:16 pm to
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math fails every time 100% of the time with regards to momentum -


Well momentum in sports isn't a thing so there's that
Posted by DoctorWorm
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:17 pm to
the fade just seems like a lazy predictable play call always
Posted by num1lsufan
Meraux
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:19 pm to
Makes no sense
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:19 pm to
If being good at math meant jack shite in football then Georgia tech would kick georgias arse every year
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:19 pm to
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Well momentum in sports isn't a thing so there's that

Momentum is definitely a thing in sports.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:21 pm to
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I understand the analytics of it



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but think it’s such a dumb thing


So you DON'T understand
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:27 pm to
The problem often with these analytics is it requires you and your opponent to do the expected thing every time over a large sample of games before you would even see any sort of significant advantage.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:31 pm to
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Momentum is definitely a thing in sports.


Prove it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:31 pm to
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Momentum is definitely a thing in sports.


There has been some research done that suggests there may be some quantifiable effect of momentum in football.


But other types of momentum, like the hot hand in the NBA or something, is patently false.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
77587 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:36 pm to
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There has been some research done that suggests there may be some quantifiable effect of momentum in football.


The science is certainly mixed overall. To definitively say that it is a thing isn't proven. And it certainly is WAY overblown.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:40 pm to
Yeah I understand why people think it’s real - I played sports too - but it just isn’t readily apparent in the data. Most examples of momentum are cherry picked and can be easily explained by random chance.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:43 pm to
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quote:
Momentum is definitely a thing in sports.


Prove it.


It's proved because sports is played by people who are human.

Ask Freud. Being insecure, as humans are, can lead to performance failure... When the opponent shocks your ego...and the tables get turned and dominoes fall.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
87780 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:56 pm to
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It's proved because sports is played by people who are human.


But the actual performance of those people doesn’t really verify it.

Momentum swings all the time. If it was real it wouldn’t be so fluid.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111936 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:01 pm to
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Seems to me that the math, probabilities, says to kick.
No, not at all

The math says to go for 2
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:02 pm to
If Evans comes back to the ball he would have gotten the flag. No effort.
Posted by Gordon Hayward
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:03 pm to
Super ironic when the winning coach, Dan Campbell, would’ve absolutely made the same exact decision. You’d know that if you watched Lions games all year.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111936 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 6:05 pm to
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Can you educate me? Hey “math” are you going off of?
Simplified a good but but kicking 2 XPs gets you to OT. Logically you just played 4 even quarters so you're pretty darn close to 50/50 to win the game in OT by kicking the 2 XPs


Going for 2:

- make the 1st one 50% of the time, you win
- Miss 1st and 2nd 25% of the time, you lose
- Miss 1st and make 2nd to get to OT 25% of the time.



So you're above 50% if you go for 2. Again, that's the very simplified version
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 6:08 pm
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