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re: Why does everyone think South Carolina is a good job?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:41 pm to Cockopotamus
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:41 pm to Cockopotamus
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Colorado and Georgia Tech did not win a BCS national title.
What’s the difference? BCS = National Title, National Title = BCS
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:51 pm to tigerbait2010
I think SC would be a sweet gig.
Lots of money. Lots of history in state.
frick it... I'll turn in my resignation next week and I'll take the job.
Lots of money. Lots of history in state.
frick it... I'll turn in my resignation next week and I'll take the job.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:54 pm to Glory, Glory
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What’s the difference? BCS = National Title, National Title = BCS
You are either really stupid or a turrible troll.
I was thinking troll but now I'm starting to lean towards stupid
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:33 pm to PAGator
SEC east is easier to win than the SEC West
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:42 am to Cockopotamus
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You are either really stupid or a turrible troll.
I was thinking troll but now I'm starting to lean towards stupid
So I take it you and I can’t be e-friends? Bummer
How would you define BCS? In the context of CIYE post, he pointed out that UT and Auburn had a won a more recent BCS. My assumption is he is pointing to a lack of a title in 35 years for UGA. Hence why I rebutted with Colorado and GA Tech. Have they not won more recently? If facts are stupid, sign me up.
Let’s call it for what it’s worth. You see the SCAR job with SCAR goggles. For whatever reason you have an self-inflated perception of the program. They have been the catfish of football for 100 years. Those are facts. I get it, criticism sucks sometimes, but man up it’s the internet.
I stand by my comments earlier. I don’t expect to have a productive conversation with you. I don’t expect CIYE to answer my questions. It’s the nature of the internet. I have some close Gamecock fans, one of which post on this very site, and they’re not nearly as delusional as the Cock ranters. Except for CNB, he is capable of having a discussion.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 7:37 am to PAGator
I agree that South Carolina hasn't proven to be a top tier job, but this will be one of the more important hires in the SEC in recent memory. I really think they could hire a good coach to get them to the next level in the SEC, or they could botch the hire and lose out on a lot of the progress they made.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:01 am to Glory, Glory
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How would you define BCS?
Do you Wikipedia bro?
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The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) was a selection system that created five bowl gamematch-ups involving ten of the top ranked teams in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) of American college football, including an opportunity for the top two teams to compete in the BCS National Championship Game. The system was in place for the 1998 through 2013 seasons and in 2014 was replaced by the College Football Playoff.
So if someone won a title prior to 1998, it wasn't a BCS title. Clear as day.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:09 am to Glory, Glory
quote:is this for real?
How would you define BCS?
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:51 am to cardboardboxer
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So if someone won a title prior to 1998, it wasn't a BCS title. Clear as day.
No shite. Whether it’s pre or post 1998, a title is a title. Call it what you want. If you read the previous responses, the argument was made that teams who won a BCS should be considered better jobs. I took it a step further and brought up teams that have won a title more recently than UGA, Colorado and GT for example. Is it not safe to use BCS title and National title interchangeably in a debate?
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BCS National Championship Game
Clear as day, right? You know, some people call yams a sweet potato
Posted on 11/7/15 at 9:06 am to ohiovol
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I agree that South Carolina hasn't proven to be a top tier job, but this will be one of the more important hires in the SEC in recent memory. I really think they could hire a good coach to get them to the next level in the SEC, or they could botch the hire and lose out on a lot of the progress they made.
That's pretty much what all of us have been saying. It's imperative that Tanner get this right.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:21 am to Glory, Glory
You said yourself that this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Well, what has UGA done lately?
We've been just as successful as UGA has in recent years. Your most recent East championships were arguably the result of us faltering. Most people will say UGA is the most underachieving team in the country.
You can say that we're inflating our self-worth, but we've been on the same level, if not better than UGA since 2010 (aside from this year, obviously), so how is that really the case? Maybe because we're actually better than you're giving us credit for.
We've been just as successful as UGA has in recent years. Your most recent East championships were arguably the result of us faltering. Most people will say UGA is the most underachieving team in the country.
You can say that we're inflating our self-worth, but we've been on the same level, if not better than UGA since 2010 (aside from this year, obviously), so how is that really the case? Maybe because we're actually better than you're giving us credit for.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 11:31 am to Glory, Glory
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How would you define BCS?
Here I was saying you were either a troll or stupid and you're actually a retard.
My mistake.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:13 am to Cockopotamus
This thread is amusing.
Only a bunch of South Carolina fans or SEC homers could call South Carolina a better job than Virginia Tech.
-Virginia Tech has as good or better facilities when you factor in that their stadium isn't off campus in a concrete shithole (ask Miami how difficult it is to sell an off campus stadium).
-Virginia Tech has less competition nearby for recruits than South Carolina.
-Virginia Tech isn't second fiddle to another program instate.
-But more than anything Virginia Tech is sooooo much easier because it's in the Coastal. Only a brain dead Neanderthal wouldn't factor this in. It's huge when you're competing against UNC and Duke instead of Florida, Georgia and Tennessee.
Also, do South Carolina fans really think Tanner is some college sports diety? The dude was an incredible baseball coach, but it's fvcking baseball. The majority of the nation doesn't even know who the fvck he is. Do yal think coaches were just bangin down the door of LSU when Skip fvcking Bertman was there? No, he's a damn former baseball coach and no one gave a frick. Not a single candidate mentioned how awesome it would be to work for Skip when Miles was hired and I know because I lived in Louisiana at the time.
Lastly, Idk why (I suspect it has something to do with the lack of a great gameday atmosphere with no on campus stadium), but South Carolina's brand is basically nothing out of the state. You saw the last couple of years what happened when they didn't have all-world talent right in their backyard. Sure they didn't have the most energetic recruiting staff, but even when they were signing the Clowney's, Lattimore's, Gilmore's, etc of the world, they were all instate. South Carolina has next to no reach out of the state for elite blue chip recruits.
The first thing the new coach needs to do is broaden their recruiting reach and improve their brand. The state of South Carolina doesn't consistently produce enough talent to sustain two programs. South Carolina hit the jackpot instate a couple years in a row and turned that into some phenomenal seasons, but they never really used that momentum to build their brand and recruiting territory. I would be all over North Carolina from the get-go if I was the new coach. Georgia and Florida are littered with sharks, but they could build a nice nitch in North Carolina and then spread from there.
South Carolina is def a good job overall. One of the absolute pluses they have is a fairly realistic fanbase that will be patient (similar to Virginia Tech). They're absolutely better than Maryland. I don't care how much you try to spin money from Under Armor, that campus is an absolute shithole and no one there gives a fvck about football. You can't manufacture a fanbase's loyalty. South Carolina has it for football, Maryland never will.
Right now I'd put the jobs:
1 - Southern Cal
2 - Virginia Tech
3 - South Carolina
4 - Miami (most overrated job)
Georgia would be slotted above Southern Cal if they joined the ranks.
Only a bunch of South Carolina fans or SEC homers could call South Carolina a better job than Virginia Tech.
-Virginia Tech has as good or better facilities when you factor in that their stadium isn't off campus in a concrete shithole (ask Miami how difficult it is to sell an off campus stadium).
-Virginia Tech has less competition nearby for recruits than South Carolina.
-Virginia Tech isn't second fiddle to another program instate.
-But more than anything Virginia Tech is sooooo much easier because it's in the Coastal. Only a brain dead Neanderthal wouldn't factor this in. It's huge when you're competing against UNC and Duke instead of Florida, Georgia and Tennessee.
Also, do South Carolina fans really think Tanner is some college sports diety? The dude was an incredible baseball coach, but it's fvcking baseball. The majority of the nation doesn't even know who the fvck he is. Do yal think coaches were just bangin down the door of LSU when Skip fvcking Bertman was there? No, he's a damn former baseball coach and no one gave a frick. Not a single candidate mentioned how awesome it would be to work for Skip when Miles was hired and I know because I lived in Louisiana at the time.
Lastly, Idk why (I suspect it has something to do with the lack of a great gameday atmosphere with no on campus stadium), but South Carolina's brand is basically nothing out of the state. You saw the last couple of years what happened when they didn't have all-world talent right in their backyard. Sure they didn't have the most energetic recruiting staff, but even when they were signing the Clowney's, Lattimore's, Gilmore's, etc of the world, they were all instate. South Carolina has next to no reach out of the state for elite blue chip recruits.
The first thing the new coach needs to do is broaden their recruiting reach and improve their brand. The state of South Carolina doesn't consistently produce enough talent to sustain two programs. South Carolina hit the jackpot instate a couple years in a row and turned that into some phenomenal seasons, but they never really used that momentum to build their brand and recruiting territory. I would be all over North Carolina from the get-go if I was the new coach. Georgia and Florida are littered with sharks, but they could build a nice nitch in North Carolina and then spread from there.
South Carolina is def a good job overall. One of the absolute pluses they have is a fairly realistic fanbase that will be patient (similar to Virginia Tech). They're absolutely better than Maryland. I don't care how much you try to spin money from Under Armor, that campus is an absolute shithole and no one there gives a fvck about football. You can't manufacture a fanbase's loyalty. South Carolina has it for football, Maryland never will.
Right now I'd put the jobs:
1 - Southern Cal
2 - Virginia Tech
3 - South Carolina
4 - Miami (most overrated job)
Georgia would be slotted above Southern Cal if they joined the ranks.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 1:56 pm to FootballNostradamus
USC and Miami's stadium situations are not similar other than they are off campus.
Miami's is 30 minutes away from campus. USC's is under 3 miles. There are off campus student housing complexes much further down Bluff and Shop road.
And the university has invested a lot of money in improving the area around the stadium. If you go to the game this war you would not walk away saying its a concrete shithole.
I agree with you on recruiting except that the lack of brand is not due to poor Gameday atmosphere and find it hilarious you would say that. Obviously you've never been to a game at Williams-Brice and are just recycling the shite you have seen the knuckling dragging idiots post in tigernet.
Miami's is 30 minutes away from campus. USC's is under 3 miles. There are off campus student housing complexes much further down Bluff and Shop road.
And the university has invested a lot of money in improving the area around the stadium. If you go to the game this war you would not walk away saying its a concrete shithole.
I agree with you on recruiting except that the lack of brand is not due to poor Gameday atmosphere and find it hilarious you would say that. Obviously you've never been to a game at Williams-Brice and are just recycling the shite you have seen the knuckling dragging idiots post in tigernet.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:33 pm to Cockopotamus
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Miami's is 30 minutes away from campus. USC's is under 3 miles. There are off campus student housing complexes much further down Bluff and Shop road.
Agree that it's closer, but on Gameday it took us about 30-45 minutes with traffic to get from my sis's (no pics) house (she lived somewhere near campus) to the stadium. It wasn't painful, we were n the back of a pickup drinking beers, but it was still a bit of a hike.
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And the university has invested a lot of money in improving the area around the stadium. If you go to the game this war you would not walk away saying its a concrete shithole.
Fair enough. Last time I went was 2011 I believe. We tailgated in some abandoned parking lot with barbed wire around it. Needless to say I wasn't impressed.
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I agree with you on recruiting except that the lack of brand is not due to poor Gameday atmosphere and find it hilarious you would say that. Obviously you've never been to a game at Williams-Brice and are just recycling the shite you have seen the knuckling dragging idiots post in tigernet.
Games at WBS are a blast, no doubting that. I was mainly talking about the pre game stuff that I alluded to earlier, but it sounds like yal have already starting to address that.
What do you think the reason for the lack of recruiting territory or brand growth? Not a flame, just curious what you'd give as a reason. I was actually pleasantly surprised with Columbia itself when I visited. It seems like it would be easier to sell.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 4:18 pm to FootballNostradamus
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What do you think the reason for the lack of recruiting territory or brand growth?
After the 2011 recruiting class our recruiting coordinator Shane Beamer left to coach with his dad at Virginia Tech. Jay Graham, our running backs coach and excellent recruiter was lined up to take over but Spurrier at the last minute gave the job to his son. So Graham leaves to coach at Tennessee (his alma mater).
So we lose two of our best recruiters and our head coach that doesn't give a shite about recruiting appoints his son who doesn't know shite about recruiting and probably the same lackadaisical attitude towards it to be the coordinator.
Beamer had to get Alshon Jeffery approved for an offer by a defensive coach because Spurrier Jr. wouldn't approve him for an offer at WR for God's sake.
We also lost Ellis Johnson after the 2011 season and he was our guy in the Rock Hill area and Brad Lawing after the 2012 season and he was very good at getting guys from NC.
Under Spurrier JR. there was no roster management at all either. In 2013 we had to play with a LB core made up of freshmen. In 2014 we had to play with a CB core made up of freshmen and zero SEC level DEs, and in 2015 we are playing with Pharoh Cooper and a bunch of walkons and freshmen at WR.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 4:23 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Georgia would be slotted above Southern Cal if they joined the ranks.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think Georgia is the best job in America.
UGA has tremendous in-state recruiting, excellent facitliies, an athletic department that's committed enough to have a successful program ... and, most importantly (in my opinion) - their fans aren't nearly as demanding as fans at Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, etc...
Georgia looks like an upper-echelon SEC job without the typical pressure that comes with it.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:30 pm to FootballNostradamus
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What do you think the reason for the lack of recruiting territory or brand growth?
Laziness. Spurrier was too busy throwing jabs at Saban about how he didn't have to work as hard in order to have success. What he should have been doing is rolling that in-state momentum and expanded the brand of an aggresive, fierce defense and taken over the Carolinas. The ability was there to capitalize and and create a regional brand that would have seriously hurt Clemson and UTK.
But he didn't do it. His arrogance cost the program dearly.
The next coach has the ability to rebuild that momentum, but it will require effort. We'll have to recapture USC as the program of choice for SC kids, and grow from there. We saw that when Latt/Jeffrey/Clowney/Swearinger were here. It can happen again, but it will need an incredible effort. It's part of why I think Elliott, as an SC native who many high school coaches love, may be the best guy for the job.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:51 pm to PAGator
3 of their last 7 head coaches won national championships at other schools first - now 2 were well past their prime - but, there must be something to attract such talent.
I like South Carolina - I could easily see myself enjoying living there. I can't say that about large swaths of the south, including a decent portion of my home state.
So, there's that...
I like South Carolina - I could easily see myself enjoying living there. I can't say that about large swaths of the south, including a decent portion of my home state.
So, there's that...
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:00 pm to craigbiggio
They are more like A&M, the historical little brother program with potential.
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