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re: Where does LSU rank as a coaching destination?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:27 am to llfshoals
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:27 am to llfshoals
no you are misunderstanding the core of what makes LSU, Bama, UF, Texas, USC great jobs.
just because bama will eventually fall off wont make the LSU job better. Its elite because of recruiting grounds, pay and resources.
a great coach isn't running because he has to coach in the loaded west. A great coach has a massive ego and believes they are the best.
also all of this is irrelevant since we aren't competing with everyone on that list. the good news is most of their coach so unless texas joins in the hiring cycle LSU is the biggest dog on the block and its clear cut.
If USC joins then you have two big dogs but both have their own territory so i don't think we would see a dog fight between us and USC over a coach.
just because bama will eventually fall off wont make the LSU job better. Its elite because of recruiting grounds, pay and resources.
a great coach isn't running because he has to coach in the loaded west. A great coach has a massive ego and believes they are the best.
also all of this is irrelevant since we aren't competing with everyone on that list. the good news is most of their coach so unless texas joins in the hiring cycle LSU is the biggest dog on the block and its clear cut.
If USC joins then you have two big dogs but both have their own territory so i don't think we would see a dog fight between us and USC over a coach.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:29 am
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:28 am to iluvlsusports
quote:Of course not. But you can't give me reasons why LSU is a better destination than the list I provided. You're a top 10 easy, and on the rise, be happy with that. A lot of programs would kill for it.
Just because you have that A beside your name, doesn't make you an expert. You refuse to admit LSU is a top 5 coaching destination. Of course, we all understand why.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:28 am to llfshoals
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You pay as much as Florida
I will say it again, LSU had the highest payroll in the country when Les was here. Assistants were paid more than anyone else. Thats not debatable.
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When you objectively view where you stand, the path ahead gets clearer.
LSU is ready for someone to step in and win now. No other current program can say that
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:29 am to dpd901
#5 or 6. Notre Dame is a has-been.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:31 am to More beer please
I think LSU has every tangible that any coach would want. Great instate talent that for the most part wants to play at LSU. Does great in TX recruiting and plays in the SEC.
On any given day I would rank as a top 5 destination but the Saban factor has to be a concern for any coach as well right now.
On any given day I would rank as a top 5 destination but the Saban factor has to be a concern for any coach as well right now.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:35 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:agreed. Notre Dame until they join a conference and start establishing themselves as a power in it are going to continue to decline.
ND isn't a better job than LSU unless you really rank history higher than anything else
Their only real selling point to a great coach is the chance to make one of the all time great programs great again.
That's a pretty good hook, but it's getting less shiney by the year. A few more years and a don't think too many people will call them even a top 15 job.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:36 am to Jake88
I think its pretty clear which posters rank history as important in the elite jobs vs which posters are using combinations of current climate in football, recruiting and such.
ND has 2 big disadvantages in recruiting, the lack of instate talent to help supplement lean years and make for easy picking and the restrictions their admin can put on them vs and Sec team.
ND is also hurt because now every single team has every game on the air. Their nothing special in that regard anymore. They can't sell recruits on you will be on tv every single game because everyone can do it. They do have a massive national brand but regardless its much easier for a school to convince the top kids to stay home vs going across the country.
I also think ND could be hurt just slightly by being a highly religious school. The population is still really christian but as we continue down the path it will be interesting to see how the demographics change.
if you go by history than LSU is likely around 7 or 8. You go by tiers and key things that make a school successful which is money, recruiting and resources and LSU is top tier elite.
ND has 2 big disadvantages in recruiting, the lack of instate talent to help supplement lean years and make for easy picking and the restrictions their admin can put on them vs and Sec team.
ND is also hurt because now every single team has every game on the air. Their nothing special in that regard anymore. They can't sell recruits on you will be on tv every single game because everyone can do it. They do have a massive national brand but regardless its much easier for a school to convince the top kids to stay home vs going across the country.
I also think ND could be hurt just slightly by being a highly religious school. The population is still really christian but as we continue down the path it will be interesting to see how the demographics change.
if you go by history than LSU is likely around 7 or 8. You go by tiers and key things that make a school successful which is money, recruiting and resources and LSU is top tier elite.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:40 am to llfshoals
quote:That is their biggest but i don't see them getting a saban type that looks and says ND is a sleeping giant.
Their only real selling point to a great coach is the chance to make one of the all time great programs great again.
The recruiting issue is a big thing that is going to hamper them. The way football has changed and recruiting has changed as ate up the huskers for good, is threatening to eat Tenn for good and ND is sliding toward it with them.
It is inherently harder to win in a state with very little instate talent. You can supplement with a state next door but its not as good as having them in your back yard.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:40 am to More beer please
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LSU is ready for someone to step in and win now. No other current program can say that
No one who is currently needing a coach to be sure.
Of all the schools that as of right now look to be needing a coach this year LSU should be able to name their guy and everyone else just shrug and look elsewhere.
That is a very different thing than trying to get in a bidding war with Texas. We'll do it because frankly just about every Bama fan is insane when it comes to our football.
Will you?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:43 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:Yes and no. Notre Dame is unique in that respect as it's a Catholic school which is a selling point which does help them nationally.
The recruiting issue is a big thing that is going to hamper them. The way football has changed and recruiting has changed as ate up the huskers for good, is threatening to eat Tenn for good and ND is sliding toward it with them
I agree though that is going to have them on Husker road soon enough though.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:43 am to llfshoals
The Bama poster seems to be ranking all time program rankings, instead of ranking coaching destinations
Those are not one in the same, but some have a hard time differentiating the two
Those are not one in the same, but some have a hard time differentiating the two
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:46 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:How many would you put in the top tier?
You go by tiers and key things that make a school successful which is money, recruiting and resources and LSU is top tier elite
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:47 am to llfshoals
The top things I have already listed multiple times. Recruiting and Money!!!!!!! They don't care that Notre Dame or USC is historically prestigious! A lot of things have changed since the 70's, and thank goodness! Les Miles has been coasting to retirement and winning 10 games a season on recruiting alone. We are a Rolls Royce for college coaches. The only thing BAMA has that LSU doesn't is that damn historical perception crap. But LSU beats BAMA when it comes to our lack of competition in recruiting our state. I won't take any BAMA fan seriously, if they continue to place LSU in a lower tier.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:49 am to llfshoals
quote:they do have that but even with a catholic kid its still harder to get them to leave the state. Out of state recruits are big prizes but its hard work pulling them.
Notre Dame is unique in that respect as it's a Catholic school which is a selling point which does help them nationally.
I also don't think they have that magic that every catholic kid wants to go there anymore. I grew up catholic and i hated ND because of LSU. I think the old school view of ND is starting to slip. Some of it is everyone is on tv now, some of it could be that as we continue to move down the road more people are starting to be less religious especially the type of athletes that are needed to win in college football today. They might quote a bible verse but i don't think religion factors into ND getting a star player, it might even start to slide some from it.
It will take years for them to fall to the husker level and they may never fall to it, but i think its safe to say the huskers are all but buried at this point unless football goes back to what les Miles would love.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:50 am to lsupride87
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Those are not one in the same, but some have a hard time differentiating the two
No. If I had top all time Florida wouldn't make the top 10.
Notre Dame would be in there and I think you can easily make a case for 10 destinations which are better. 15 wouldn't surprise me.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
Exactly. Most BAMA fans, we have a few exceptions on this board, but most of them refuse to admit LSU is a top tier program. This is in several categories. I get so sick of their condescending attitude, and refusal to deal with facts.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:51 am to dpd901
1. Texas
2. Bama
3. USC
4. LSU
5. Ohio State
6. Michigan
7. Florida
8. Notre Dame
9. Oregon
10. Florida St
I love how so many are talking about history and prestige. You think the average recruit weighs those two factors highly? There's idiots that go to Oregon because or their uniforms. Money, resources, facilities, fertile recruiting ground, history/prestige. In that order is what coaches care about.
2. Bama
3. USC
4. LSU
5. Ohio State
6. Michigan
7. Florida
8. Notre Dame
9. Oregon
10. Florida St
I love how so many are talking about history and prestige. You think the average recruit weighs those two factors highly? There's idiots that go to Oregon because or their uniforms. Money, resources, facilities, fertile recruiting ground, history/prestige. In that order is what coaches care about.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:55 am to llfshoals
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How many would you put in the top tier?
I would say that tier consist of
Bama, LSU, Tosu, Michigan, USC, Texas, UF and FSU
Bama has plenty of instate talent, we know they have money and are willing to spend it, and the facilities
LSU- LA basically to its self, money we know we pay well, resources are directed to winning
TOSU/Michigan great recruiting ground, both have money and resources
USC:the big boy in cali, money, fame, and resources to devote to football
UF and FSU: huge state recruiting, money is no issue and resources no issue. If Da U wasn't a small private school they would be along with them.
Texas: recruits, money, resources
BAMA, TOSU, Michigan and USC have history on their side, Texas as well. Then you have LSU, UF and FSU they have always been around just not top 8 as of yet as far as historical programs go. I suspect LSU and UF will move on into the top 8 in my life time due to the huskers, Tenn and ND sliding backwards.
The real factor will be how does the country shift population wise and how does football change. If we go back to the triple option and stuff then big ole corn fed huskers might march back up.
I think FSU is on the backend of that elite tier.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:57 am to dnm3305
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4. LSU
5. Ohio State
That's pretty funny. There is nothing that LSU has over Ohio State by any metric and putting it higher as a destination job is highly amusing.
Good luck with the coaching search. You're going to have to be patient to get the right coach and with the right coach LSU is certainly a force to be reckoned with.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:58 am to iluvlsusports
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The top things I have already listed multiple times. Recruiting and Money!!!!!!! They don't care that Notre Dame or USC is historically prestigious! A lot of things have changed since the 70's, and thank goodness! Les Miles has been coasting to retirement
Notre Dame I don't have in my top tier. Southern California is. They are THE dominant school in a state that produces FAR more college talent than Alabama and Louisiana combined.
If I had to rank a program more likely to beat us head up for a coach we wanted that's the only school I think we probably can't beat.
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