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Run the offense that plays to the strengths of our roster

Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:50 pm
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:50 pm
I think we've become a little too pro-spread. Michigan is a perfect example with Rich Rod. The roster and QB should determine the offense not the OC. We need to hire a OC that can adapt to the strengths of the roster and where recruiting takes us. If Myles Brennen comes here we adapt to his strengths. I like Kiffin because of this. Helfrich not so much.

Cameron couldn't adapt. That's what did him in. Not because he was more pro-style. I listened to an interview earlier this week about Ralph Friedgen former Maryland HC. He was being interviewed for an OC position and he was asked what type of offense he would run. He said the roster would dictate that. He would not force the roster to run something that wasn't a strength. That's what we need and that's why Kiffin is a good fit.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7138 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:53 pm to
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Cameron couldn't adapt. That's what did him in. Not because he was more pro-style.


He & Les recruited the roster. Ensminger hasn't called plays since the 90'start & set records with the same roster. It's about play selection
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14664 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:59 pm to
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Run the offense that plays to the strengths of our roster

That's what Matt Canada does and that's why he's my #1 choice for OC.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35274 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 7:59 pm to
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He & Les recruited the roster.
Just because they recruited the roster doesn't mean they game planned to it's strengths. Saban has said that Kiffin is great at being able to play to the strengths of their players. And they recruited that roster. Not even Bama gets the perfect players for a single, particular system every year. You have to be able to adapt to your players.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79144 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:08 pm to
apparently the only strength we've had for the last 12 years has been running back
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:09 pm to
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That's what Matt Canada does and that's why he's my #1 choice for OC.


Matt runs a tough style offense that would be a great fit at LSU. Griffin and the Oregon guy run fluffy offenses, don't see them as a good fit at LSU.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:18 pm to
So they recruited dual threat spread quarterbacks and stuck them in a pro style offense. That makes it worse.
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2668 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:29 pm to
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So they recruited dual threat spread quarterbacks and stuck them in a pro style offense. That makes it worse.


I think Harris and Etling are both primarily pro style guys. You guys see a black guy and thinks he's a dual threat. He's a pro style guy. He just couldn't execute the plays and the play calling was terrible.
Posted by dbbuilder79
Overton NV
Member since Dec 2010
4151 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:38 pm to
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He's a pro style guy


IIRC, Brandon Harris never took a snap under center in high school. All they ran was the spread
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7138 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:46 pm to
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So they recruited dual threat spread quarterbacks and stuck them in a pro style offense. That makes it worse.



Plenty of dual-threat qbs have had success in pro style offenses: Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Russell Wilson among others. The limited success & is a testament to the poor coaching and play selection.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10930 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:17 pm to
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The roster and QB should determine the offense not the OC. We need to hire a OC that can adapt to the strengths of the roster and where recruiting takes us. If Myles Brennen comes here we adapt to his strengths. I like Kiffin because of this. Helfrich not so much.
The "Great Recruiter" that can't technically coach a lick (Dameyune Craig) has somehow convinced O that we all of a sudden need a DTQB to beat Bama.

That's why O "Flipped" and went from wanting a Pro-Style QB (Said that right after he was hired as Interim HC) to wanting a DT and that's why we offered the Bama QB Commit from Hawaii. (That we have no chance of landing)

Really dumb, stupid and ridiculous move. You accomplish nothing in the process but pissing off Brennan. BTW, I went to two of MB's games. LSU simply can't afford to lose a QB that has such advanced passing/reading defenses/going through progressions skills already in HS. He also has good pocket mobility and escapability as well; good enough to run a Power Spread Offense in the SEC.

I see Craig's footprint all over this potential fiasco, not Orgeron's, but O better fix it.............
Posted by blackmouthcur
Member since Sep 2016
400 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:33 pm to
Nonsense. Our perception is colored by our recent experience with Miles.

Kiffin, Helfrich, Briles, etc will all perform at a higher level than we saw out of most all of Miles' recent OCs.

This is because there will be no inane, irrational meddling in the play calling.

What we have seen under Ensminger, we will see in spades under the vastly superior OC talent under consideration, regardless.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 8:55 am
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16634 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:41 pm to
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think we've become a little too pro-spread. Michigan is a perfect example with Rich Rod. The roster and QB should determine the offense not the OC. We need to hire a


Rich Rod recruited spread qbs they just sucked.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112335 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:55 am to
Rich rod running the 3-3-5 defense is what fricked them up, not his offense

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26657 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:05 am to
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I think we've become a little too pro-spread. Michigan is a perfect example with Rich Rod. The roster and QB should determine the offense not the OC. We need to hire a OC that can adapt to the strengths of the roster and where recruiting takes us. If Myles Brennen comes here we adapt to his strengths. I like Kiffin because of this. Helfrich not so much.


LSU needs to run the spread. LSU's talent doesn't show that it needs to run a pro style, and Michigan and Rich Rod is not the perfect example, not even close. Michigan was true old school Big 10 pro style offense with Big 10 country slow/pro style skill players, QBs, OL. Rich Rod was radically different from what they had on roster to what he likes to run. LSU is loaded with dual threat/mobile QBs and athletes at the skill positions. We will also be even more athletic on the OL next year.


Harris last 2 years of high school
6191 pass yards 63 TDs, 1830 rush yards 29 TDs

McMillan last 2 years of high school
5226 pass yards 62 TDs, 919 rush yards 9 TDs

Scott last 2 years of high school
5271 pass yards 57 TDs, 2928 rush yards 43 TDs

Brennan last 2 years of high school
9230 pass yards 101 TDs, 952 rush yards 17 TDs

Narcisse Fr and So years (only ones with full season)
5127 pass yards 58 TDs, 2039 rush yards 30 TDs

LSU QBs scream spread offense. All ran some form of spread or option offense in high school, pretty much lived in shotgun, and all ran the ball very effectively.

Guice can run out of any of them, but with a bunch of pre snap misdirection, and guys not keying on him because they are also focusing on the QB, he could have a Barry Sanders like year next year.

LSU has pure athletes at the WR and TE position. Chark, Davis, Anderson, Sullivan, Ferguson, Dillion, Washington, etc. Do you see what Ole Miss has done with Chad Kelly, Patterson, and those highly talented pass catchers there? Just about all of Ole Miss's WRs, are 6'2+ with physical bodies.

I saw Texas and TCU go from pro style to full blown spread in a matter of one year. One had a first year play caller and true freshman QB, and the other had Co-OCs with the playcaller only having one year of calling plays at the FBS level. Both exploded on offense

Texas
12 games 2015 - 55.2% 1751 yards (6.9 ypa) 9 TDs 6 ints, 2698 rush yards 27 TDs
12 games 2016 - 60% 3024 yards (7.5 ypa) 21 TDs 12 ints (it was 20 TDs to 8 ints before the QB injured himself the game before last), 2871 rush yards 27 TDs (and that was without #2 of their 1-2 punch who only played 3 games because of injury).

TCU
12 games 2013 - 57.3% 2715 yards (6.5 ypa) 14 TDs 17 ints, 1423 rush yards 20 TDs
13 games 2014 - 61.4% 4240 yards (8.0 ypa) 37 TDs 11 ints, 2689 rush yards 32 TDs

In year 2 with Cumbie/Meacham and QB and skill players
13 games 2015 - 63.1% 4517 yards 39 TDs 15 ints (ints were hire because backups had to play more due to Boykin's injury and suspension), 2800 rush yards 26 TDs


Hell, look at Oklahoma who went from multiple to air raid with Lincoln Riley and a QB switch

Oklahoma
13 games 2014 - 54.4% 2646 yards (6.9 ypa) 17 TDs 17 ints, 3395 rush yards 40 TDs
13 games 2015 - 66.5% 4006 yards (9.1 ypa) 38 TDs 9 ints, 2887 rush yards 32 TDs

Now in year 2 with Riley and the QB/skill players
12 games 2016 - 70.8% 3838 yards (10.8 ypa) 41 TDs 8 ints, 2850 rush yards 27 TDs

I put the rushing stats to show you that even with going to air raid/pass happy spreads, it didn't mean they had to abandon the run game.



LSU has the talent to run the spread year one, they just need to go ahead and do it. There is no reason to go after Kiffin when legit spread guys are out there. Our area is loaded with dual threat and spread QBs. Stop fighting against the spread, and embrace it 100%
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 3:14 am
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:01 am to
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Rich rod running the 3-3-5 defense is what fricked them up, not his offense


The problem was Rich Rod's DC from WVU didn't come with him and he hired a trash DC Greg Robinson and for some reason refused to fire him. Rich Rod's offenses were great especially considering the lack of any top talent outside of Denard.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:13 am to
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You guys see a black guy and thinks he's a dual threat


Not one motherfricker said anything about black guys did they? If you're a QB in HS in LA, you're most likely a dual threat. It's the offense they run. Both Jennings and Harris were labeled dual threat QBs coming out of high school you stupid frick. Put your race card back in your wallet.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:15 am to
Offense wasn't the problem for RR at Michigan
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:34 am to
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He & Les recruited the roster. Ensminger hasn't called plays since the 90'start & set records with the same roster. It's about play selection


it's a LOT more than play selection. but I will agree that Ensminger changed up the play selection and, for the most part, was extremely successful with it. esp with the opponents that had WEAKER front 7's. it also worked well against Florida.

however, the "play selection" did not work against bama. it would have taken a different offense style to score on that D. granted, Etling looked scared in that game and our OL were overwhelmed.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39981 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:34 am to
People can't seem to get away from this binary dual-threat/pro-style paradigm. Harris is a primarily throwing QB but played exclusively in a spread/shotgun in HS. He can run but but I wouldn't call him a dual threat so to speak. Not everyone falls into the same category. Bottom line is we've been taking guys that did nothing but took snaps from the gun in high school and have tried to jam them into tight under center sets. It is critical that whoever we hire has an ability to tailor the offense to his players and their strengths, weaknesses and comfort zones
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 6:36 am
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