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re: Michigan info starting to jive...Miles less and less likely to be a candidate
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:23 am to Geauxgurt
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:23 am to Geauxgurt
Again, it's really hilarious that yall are circle jerking about miles not getting an offer to coach somewhere else like it validates you or something.
What a sad bunch.
What a sad bunch.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:24 am to The Egg
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There's also the idea that some that remain in the Michigan AD (not Lloyd Carr) are not in favor of a potential Miles hire.
I mean why would they want a proven and successful coach. I am in the minority that does not want Miles to leave, but Michigan has to cut ties with Carr as well as these old fashioned boosters.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:25 am to The Egg
All of this said, the sonofabitch shouldn't get another contract extension or raise until he starts doing a better job of producing. If Alleva thinks otherwise, the BOS should block it and fire Alleva. Les (aka "Mess") needs to atone for 1/9/12 as well as this past shite season. I don't want to hear anymore bullshite coach speak. I do want to see a more competitive team fielded. Miles might want to take a look at how Saban is doing things and consider emulating some of it - for starters having his coordinators on the sidelines to directly coach players during the game. They can put folks in the coaches box that can give them the information needed to determine what plays to call. If they are not careful, they might even get the plays in on a more timely basis.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:25 am to Geauxgurt
This is all great so a presser this weekend after Lester returns from recruitinget right to announce he will continue to be the head coach of this quality football team and continue to play smash mouth football and have a man crush on only 1 qb and be the best clock manager ever but most of all just continue to stare at the scoreboard waiting anxiously for it to fall. Perfect get use to 8-4,9-3 seasons fellas
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:26 am to The Eric
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but Michigan has to cut ties with Carr as well as these old fashioned boosters.
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PULL THE STRINGS. There was another round of echo-chamber Carrspiracy stuff on the various message boards over the past couple days. No idea why, unless Brian Griese expressing his opinion that he wouldn't go after Harbaugh is reason to envision Carr as a puppet master cackling behind the scenes. For the nth time, Carr is a civilian who only talks to the athletic department when they call him up. That is not frequently.
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“I am not involved in the coaching search in any direct way,” Carr said. “However, I have been asked my opinion. My opinion was Jim Harbaugh would be my number one choice.”
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:28 am to Geauxgurt
So Les is still whining about playing Florida ?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:29 am to TreyAnastasio
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“I am not involved in the coaching search in any direct way,” Carr said. “However, I have been asked my opinion. My opinion was Jim Harbaugh would be my number one choice.”
Well duh.
And for a multitude of reasons.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:29 am to OneMoreTime
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Hahaha. We have some retarded fans. Jesus.
Why the consensus view that I've received from opposing fans not in the SEC and in the SEC is that Les is a good coach and doing well at LSU, but they don't see him as a coach to take mediocre to championship. It's not that hard to understand.
He did well starting a rebuild at OSU, but realistically I doubt he takes them to a title there. He's not suited to do both rebuild to championship and maintain at a championship level.
He can bring you up if your low, but it will take someone else to finish the job IMO.
That in no way means he's a bad coach, but I don't see him as a championship program builder, and I doubt UM wants to hire him at his salary to bring them to just above average and then have to hire another coach to take them to the next step.
One conference title in his last 7 years says a lot given what Les has had available to him in that time including the highest paid staff in the country.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:30 am to TreyAnastasio
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I am not involved in the coaching search in any direct way,” Carr said. “However, I have been asked my opinion. My opinion was Jim Harbaugh would be my number one choice.”
This is a contradictory statement. I am not involved... but I am involved because they asked my opinion.
The only thing Michigan has going for it with Miles and Harbaugh is the alma mater card.
It is not currently an attractive job.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:33 am to The Egg
Michigan doesn't want miles because it's obvious he's plateaued and underachieved with the talent he's had. Bob stoops is a top candidate though...
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:34 am to Godfather1
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It won't get down to a 5th or 6th choice unless all 5 or 6 are completely unrealistic. And then, there's no way Miles would accept. His ego wouldn't allow it.
See, I disagree. In fact, I think it would be his ego PLUS love of Michigan that’d compel him to take a hard look at the offer if made under those circumstances.
“Ego” – One thing that strikes me about CLM is his self-confidence regardless of what’s going on around him. Zero fricks given about those who think he’s stupid, not a good Xs and Os guy, and so forth. He’s quite confident in his own abilities, which is why the next piece (as he might say) makes sense.
“Love of Michigan” – If this job has fallen that far in the eyes of the coaching community so as to have 5-6 people pass, and UM comes to him hat in hand (no pun intended), then he may look at it as, “I know I can do the job. Might have taken jackwads like Lloyd Carr a long time to come around, but I can do the job of getting this program back where it belongs. Now that the offer is here, I’ll take it so as to end my coaching career with no regrets.”
Hell, it wouldn’t shock me if he's telling Jim Hackett to swing for the fences, go try and get a dynamic younger coach who can right the ship and stay there for 10 or more years…but, if that fails, then come back to me and let's talk.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:35 am to The Egg
I cant for life of me even believe that some people actually think that Miles will go to Michigan...There is zero chance he goes, he will either be fired, or retire at LSU, if anyone wants to bet otherwise, ill send my contact info and will take any wager...
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:43 am to Geauxgurt
quote:So you're just assuming he can't build up a program? Ok.
Why the consensus view that I've received from opposing fans not in the SEC and in the SEC is that Les is a good coach and doing well at LSU, but they don't see him as a coach to take mediocre to championship. It's not that hard to understand.
He did well starting a rebuild at OSU, but realistically I doubt he takes them to a title there. He's not suited to do both rebuild to championship and maintain at a championship level.
He can bring you up if your low, but it will take someone else to finish the job IMO.
quote:Pretty convienient that you chose 7 years.
One conference title in his last 7 years says a lot given what Les has had available to him in that time including the highest paid staff in the country.
Last 4 years (including this year):
Alabama 2 (most likely)
Auburn 1
LSU 1
Last 8 years:
Alabama 3
Auburn 2
LSU 2
Florida 1
It shows that he coaches in the toughest conference in the country against some of the best coaches in the country.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:45 am to floridatigah
quote:you do realize that outside of one season (Brady Hoke's first), Les Miles' down years are equal with the best that Michigan has been since they ran off Lloyd Carr?
Michigan doesn't want miles because it's obvious he's plateaued and underachieved with the talent he's had.
If Les Miles went to Michigan and had identical records to his records that he's had at LSU, it would be equal to the best run that Michigan has had in the last 50 years. Bo Schembechler, Gary Moeller, Lloyd Carr, and Les Miles have basically had almost identical careers. Except that Moeller and Schembechler never won a NC. All 4 coaches are very good coaches who regularly win/won all but 2-4 games a year.
Les Miles is literally the perfect coach to duplicate the 40 years of success that they've had. The only reason people don't realize that is because Michigan has a severely inflated view of their prestige. They won 10 NCs between 1901 and 1948. Since then, they've won 1. They aren't nearly as relevant as they think.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:45 am to The Egg
Who would want miles he is just average nothing to get excited about.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:46 am to tigernation56
quote:This is more true of Michigan's football program than it is of Les Miles.
just average nothing to get excited about.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:52 am to OneMoreTime
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So you're just assuming he can't build up a program? Ok.
Not at all. I said he hasn't proven he can BUILD a championship level program. That's not a knock on him but that is also a reason he's not some homerun hire.
Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Tressel, Rodriguez are the names of guys that rebuilt fledgling programs into title contenders. Miles has yet to prove that as his only great success has been at LSU which was already a championship caliber program when he took it over.
Could he do it? Possibly, but it is an unknown right now.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:53 am to hashtag
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If Les Miles went to Michigan and had identical records to his records that he's had at LSU, it would be equal to the best run that Michigan has had in the last 50 years. Bo Schembechler, Gary Moeller, Lloyd Carr, and Les Miles have basically had almost identical careers.
Is he taking over a program that is championship caliber from day one at Michigan? If not, then there are reasonable questions as to whether he can keep them near his down years here.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:56 am to BeeFense5
i honestly think half the posters on this board lick windows and eat paint chips
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:57 am to The Egg
Theres alot to juggle in Ann Arbor. Notice how they are letting the "rookie" handle things. CYA is alive and well in the big house.
All of them understand they are in a pickle. They have no choice but to be secretive and must tread lightly, not to have a PR nightmare in the heart of recruiting season with Dantonio and Meyer circling their recruits.
Lets just hope Miles' paycheck and total cost is just not in their cards add on he might say no which will kill their program. Maybe they dont make a reasonable offer. Safer that way anyway.
This is quite an event, Im enjoying the rhetoric from all sides.
I cant see Miles being past 2nd on their list and taking the job. They were clear that one of the requirements is QB development (Again to have an excuse to the alumni on why they didnt choose Miles if it gets that far) from the get go.
So Miles is probably OK sitting behind Harbaugh right now. Its not like he doesnt have it going on at LSU.
But if they offer some guy like Big Game Bob ahead of him, I dont think he says yes. What the heck has he done except lose ground even while Texas was struggling. This shouldve been their year and he shite the bed again.
In fact, I will lose alot of respect for Miles if it goes down like that.
All of them understand they are in a pickle. They have no choice but to be secretive and must tread lightly, not to have a PR nightmare in the heart of recruiting season with Dantonio and Meyer circling their recruits.
Lets just hope Miles' paycheck and total cost is just not in their cards add on he might say no which will kill their program. Maybe they dont make a reasonable offer. Safer that way anyway.
This is quite an event, Im enjoying the rhetoric from all sides.
I cant see Miles being past 2nd on their list and taking the job. They were clear that one of the requirements is QB development (Again to have an excuse to the alumni on why they didnt choose Miles if it gets that far) from the get go.
So Miles is probably OK sitting behind Harbaugh right now. Its not like he doesnt have it going on at LSU.
But if they offer some guy like Big Game Bob ahead of him, I dont think he says yes. What the heck has he done except lose ground even while Texas was struggling. This shouldve been their year and he shite the bed again.
In fact, I will lose alot of respect for Miles if it goes down like that.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 10:39 am
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