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re: How is O with Aranda and Kiffen different from Miles with Fisher and Pelini?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:38 am to c on z
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:38 am to c on z
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If there is a common theme from the O crowd, it's that when they give you the positive traits of O, none of those traits center around his X's and O's, tactics, or any general coaching acumen.
Seems awfully similar to the guy he replaced
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:38 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Let's give the man a season
I really wish people would stop saying this. Just casually giving him a season like it's no big deal if he busts.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:39 am to craigbiggio
there is also this assumption that O is impervious to arrogance or being stubborn
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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under the overall philosophy? yes
now you are just being dishonest or showing you don't know football or just using philosophy very loosely. Anyone with knowledge will say Saban has allowed kiffin to implement his offense, it is NOT Sabans philosophy they are running. Saban was an I formation guy but has adapted to be more diverse offensively.
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please tell me which side O has shown expertise in
defense. Now tell me a head coach that is an offensive and defensive guru? I guess Spurrier was running his defense at Florida? Bowden also at FSU?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
So much for Alleva wanting change. 
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:42 am to CorporateTiger
quote:I think he's suggesting we won't lose games we should win... like the Florida game.
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won't waste NFL roster dynasty type talent by losing 2-3 games a year
What does this even mean?
Outside of the record disparity, Miles also had a knack for calling a big play at a big time, in big games. Remains to be seen if Orgeron will develop that instinct and feel yet. 4th downs under him this year weren't very good.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:43 am to Topwater Trout
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Saban was an I formation guy but has adapted to be more diverse offensively.
they ditched this years and years ago but still run the basic types of plays out of single back formations
kiffin is just using that same thing with the QB in the shotgun more and allowing the QB to run
it's not this complete overhaul of what Saban has always wanted to do on offense. it's adding wrinkles
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defense
how many has he run?
pretty sure it's as many as you or me
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh my Pro! What a complete contradiction to what you have been pumping out about Miles for as long as I can remember. And to say O has not run a good defense is not only wrong it is completely misleading because a) he hasn't actually run the defense b) he has been a part of some of best defenses during stints at Miami and USC. So to not give him credit for being a part of the coaching is just making up shite to fit your narrative. Les has shown with out superior talent and a good offensive minded coordinator that he doesn't know shite about developing a) a QB or passing game, b) how to fit a blocking scheme into his mixed bag of an offensive philosophy, and that guards can't play tackle and tackles shouldn't be centers. No Les does not have a superior football IQ to Ed nor any other LSU football coach I have observed over the last say 3 decades other than Curly Hallman I give you that one.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:48 am to Rhio
lol, you misinterpret. I don't mean give him a season as coach, that is done and over with. I mean give him a season before passing judgement on his ability to lead/win here.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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how many has he run?
He was his own DC his 1st 2 years at OM, and the defense got worse from one year to the next IIRC, and that was with Patrick Willis on the roster.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:52 am to LSUZombie
You are an idiot for even asking this.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:52 am to LSUZombie
Because just like Miles, O is gonna be too dependent on his coordinators. When they leave (and if they're good, they will), then we're stuck relearning a new system every other year. Sure, if O can hire good coordinators and not meddle, that would be better than Miles meddling in the offense. But whats wrong with shooting for more? Hiring an elite HC that can have sustained success regardless of coordinators coming and going?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:53 am to TigerFanNKaty
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And to say O has not run a good defense is not only wrong it is completely misleading because a) he hasn't actually run the defense
i don't think you understood my point
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No Les does not have a superior football IQ to Ed
i'll take that bet
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:53 am to c on z
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He was his own DC his 1st 2 years at OM, and the defense got worse from one year to the next IIRC
i've heard these rumors from Ole Miss people but no real confirmation
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:54 am to c on z
Really was he actually calling the defense? I'm not doubting you I just don't remember him naming himself the DC.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:55 am to LSUZombie
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Aranda and he will get the job before LSU loses him to another school
He isn't going to another school. There is nowhere else to go that really isn't a lateral move when you consider everything that LSU offers. He is going to the NFL.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:55 am to TigerFanNKaty
i've heard the story different ways
like in year 2 or 3 he took over calling the D (and it got worse)
nothing was confirmed, though
like in year 2 or 3 he took over calling the D (and it got worse)
nothing was confirmed, though
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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they ditched this years and years ago but still run the basic types of plays out of single back formations
If you were to pinpoint what kind of philosophy Saban has offensively it is not the offense we see today. He has adapted and allowed OC's to change the philosophy bama runs...he did not and could not have done this on his own he had to bring in offensive experts to make these changes...are you disagreeing?
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how many has he run?
doesn't mean he doesn't have input in defensive meetings and game plans...are you suggesting he doesn't know defense?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:57 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Really was he actually calling the defense? I'm not doubting you I just don't remember him naming himself the DC.
Need anymore convincing?
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Head coach Ed Orgeron is in his second year as his own defensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'll take that bet
it can never be won or lost so its an easy bet to take...but what happened to the lsu football team when you removed CLM from it? offensive records...so one coach seemed to have a better football iq
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