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re: How is O with Aranda and Kiffen different from Miles with Fisher and Pelini?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Constant turnover in scheme is what Miles had for his first 6 years. Jimbo pro style, Crowton spread with run heavy sets and Miles influenced I formation. Worked for one year with great talent left overs. Post Crowton a run heavy I formation so called pro style scheme. Miles had no clue how to implement an offense that spread the field which you can do either in a "Pro style" or spread option type scheme. Does O? Not really I would guess since he is a defensive coach, but I trust him more to adapt and let his coordinators work. O seems to have a vision of what he wants his offense to be you don't know if there will be constant turnover of scheme.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:18 am to CorporateTiger
Great head coaches usually have a high turnover in coordinators. Look at bama. When you win you always have to worry about losing coaches.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 am to Topwater Trout
What? Bama was remarkably stable in terms of coordinators.
Kirby was there from '08-'15 despite probably having HC offers at smaller schools for years. The OC position was a bit less stable, but still nothing like some programs.
Kirby was there from '08-'15 despite probably having HC offers at smaller schools for years. The OC position was a bit less stable, but still nothing like some programs.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:23 am to LSUZombie
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Also, I truly believe our next head coach is Aranda and he will get the job before LSU loses him to another school (unless Orgeron is just flat out killing it).
It was said on this board last week that Dave Aranda sees himself in the NFL as a DC one day instead of a college HC. "Sauces" I know, but I could see that happening.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:24 am to Topwater Trout
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Great head coaches usually have a high turnover in coordinators.
that's b/c the HC has an overall scheme/philosophy that their coordinators fall into
that's a lot different than completely relying on your coordinators to establish/install their own scheme/philosophy when we hire a new one. completely different type of turnover
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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sure, his best buddy lane kiffin has a foot out the door and we have aranda in place this year. what happens when he has to really scour the market and the options are so easy? you really trust Ed fricking Orgeron to hit a homerun every time (because that's what is required)?
Obviously you aren't privy to what's in the binder
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:29 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Les Miles
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(3) coordinator experience
How'd that work out?Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:30 am to Abe1961
You are correct sir . With the stats to prove it . The most intelligent post yet on the thread .
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:31 am to Topwater Trout
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When you win you always have to worry about losing coaches.
That wasn't always the case with Saban though. He cast off OCs when they were not doing good enough.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:32 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Let's give the man a season
Absolutely not. This is ridiculous. I'm a 20 year old snowflake and I demand to be made happy now. Right-Now! Damn it, can you people hear me? I want to be happy now. I'm not waiting for next season. It's my constitutional right to get what I want. And I want an Umpa Lumpa Daddy....and I want it now.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:33 am to LSUZombie
You're spot on. These people are idiots. Miles was an offensive line coach and a bad one at that. Orgeron is a good defensive line coach and doesn't meddle. Is he ideal NO, but he's certainly better than Miles and that's evident. O will rely on his coordinators but maybe he'll also learn a thing or two from them and implement a proven system along the way.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:33 am to GeauxTigersLee
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How'd that work out?
i mean you're talking to one of the original negatigers here, bub
but the question is a the time of hire, how is his different. i gave some good reasons
O has never been found capable of running a defense. that doesn't raise red flags to you? he also had the disaster of running the Ole Miss program. Les was successful as a HC and had coordinator experience. Les wasn't my favorite coach ever, but he has shown a much better football mind than O has shown
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's b/c the HC has an overall scheme/philosophy that their coordinators fall into
are you suggesting Kiffin is running what Saban wants on offense?
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that's a lot different than completely relying on your coordinators to establish/install their own scheme/philosophy when we hire a new one. completely different type of turnover
In most cases a head coach has a strength offensively or defensively and allow the coordinator to run the unit that they aren't an expert in. Please name one head coach that is an offensive and defensive guru.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:34 am to jwill37
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he's certainly better than Miles
i'll take that bet
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:35 am to jwill37
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he's certainly better than Miles and that's evident
Based on?
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implement a proven system along the way.
Proven where?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:36 am to c on z
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That wasn't always the case with Saban though
except his name was rumored for a new job every year...one way or another very successful teams usually have coaches being rumored for other jobs.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:36 am to LSUZombie
Coach O is about to shut em all up and we wo t have to listen to their crying while enjoying the fan side of championships
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:36 am to Topwater Trout
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are you suggesting Kiffin is running what Saban wants on offense?
under the overall philosophy? yes
Saban likes to change things up on offense and add wrinkles within his primary philosophy
what Bama aims to do on offense has remained pretty consistent, but they just go about it in different ways. this goes back to yellow teeth minimizing the FB and going to a pistol to Kiffin adding in more power-spread concepts
it's like what mike leach does. you run the same plays, but do it out of different formations/personnel groupings
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In most cases a head coach has a strength offensively or defensively and allow the coordinator to run the unit that they aren't an expert in. Please name one head coach that is an offensive and defensive guru.
please tell me which side O has shown expertise in
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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O has never been found capable of running a defense. that doesn't raise red flags to you? he also had the disaster of running the Ole Miss program.
If there is a common theme from the O crowd, it's that when they give you the positive traits of O, none of those traits center around his X's and O's, tactics, or any general coaching acumen.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:37 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:37 am to Topwater Trout
Are you suggesting Saban wouldn't fire a motherfricker if he disagreed with that guy's play calling?
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