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re: How is O with Aranda and Kiffen different from Miles with Fisher and Pelini?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:11 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:11 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Well, how do you think they fared? Miles lost 2 road games to good teams, Orgeron lost 2 home games to good teams.
so you don't think the best determining factor in who has the better football iq would be to compare how the team they both coached fared?
You can argue that Orgeron lost to both the best and worst of the 4 teams.
You don't think Miles would have run the ball against Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and A&M? Because if he would, we'd win those games.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:23 am to Scoob
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Miles lost 2 road games to good teams
LSU played like total crap and should have won both of those games.
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Orgeron lost 2 home games to good teams
1 being one of the best teams Saban has ever had. The florida game we played terrible (CLMesque type of game) The only problem I had with coaching was the 3rd and goal handoff to FB.
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You don't think Miles would have run the ball against Missouri, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and A
No way Miles has LSU up for Ole Miss and Arkansas. I think we lose 2 of 3 to Ole Miss, Ark, and A&M with CLM at the helm.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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remember we have coach O who has to make these decisions. not exactly a critical thinker
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SlowFlowPro
You PMSing all over Coach O and this board is getting tiresome. Grow a pair and wipe your leaking vagina.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:27 am to c on z
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If there is a common theme from the O crowd, it's that when they give you the positive traits of O, none of those traits center around his X's and O's, tactics, or any general coaching acumen.
Their argument, when you boil it down, is essentially you don't need a head coach. Just good coordinators.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:28 am to Sid in Lakeshore
i'm responding to a thread made by somebody else with the title:
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How is O with Aranda and Kiffen different from Miles with Fisher and Pelini?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:28 am to LSUZombie
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How is O with Aranda and Kiffen different from Miles with Fisher and Pelini?
I would say he had a little bit better record than O's at his previous stop, not great, but wasnt bad.. I still think Gundy was the reason for Miles success, hence why we should have hired Gundy.. I think he would be a star.. But I think we hired les because Stoops was the hot name and everyone wanted to beat him at the time.. Miles had beaten him twice in 4 years. thats the other reason he was hired..
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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well to be fair, he was playing politics once he got the interim tag and he knew the big knock on Miles was meddling. publicly, if he wanted to win over the fanbase, he had to completely shite on that aspect of Miles or he'd never have a shot for his coup
HOW is this being fair? Can you read the man's mind? I certain he was just as frustrated with the offense (and ST) as the rest of us. His actions since taking over support my position. We don't give a shite why he will do it, JUST DO IT.
You just cannot resist shitting on him. Totally uncalled for.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm responding to a thread made by somebody else with the title:
By attacking the man personally. Stop.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:32 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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By attacking the man personally. Stop.
so you never laughed at the Colonel Reb is Crying video?
you never wondered who JoJo actually was or what he looked like?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Colonel Reb is crying vid is hilarious.
You are refusing to give O any credit because you are pissed. Seems you are going out of your way to tear him down. To me, it comes off as immature.
But, I'm off to work now.
GO TIGERS
You are refusing to give O any credit because you are pissed. Seems you are going out of your way to tear him down. To me, it comes off as immature.
But, I'm off to work now.
GO TIGERS
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:41 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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You are refusing to give O any credit because you are pissed.
i'm not pissed. i'm laughing. after this terrible "search" by our AD, all we have left is the lulz
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not pissed. i'm laughing
Your posting tells an entirely different story.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
Topwater Trout, tell me this- do you have a problem with the way Orgeron has handled the RB position? I do. I'm not saying Miles was any better, but O has left me a little worried about some things.
Examples-
- Fournette seeming to have final say on if/when he plays. o let him do this in the Florida game, and it hurt us. Miles let it happen too, it hurt in the Auburn game; and I think there were a couple of other games where Fournette's ego stifled the offense. Miss St comes to mind.
- not playing Guice hardly at all vs several teams; again that's a wash, but not good coaching on either end. He got 5 total carries vs Auburn and Alabama. He ended up with over 1200 yds, he could have made a difference in those games.
- Guice vs A&M... sure, he got the record. Sure, we needed to keep scoring. But MY GOD, he had 37 carries. At some point, you have to sub someone else in.
Neither Arkansas nor A&M could stop the run. You think we'd lose under Miles, because the team would be down... but they physically couldn't play against us.
Now as a counter, I think Miles wins the Florida game. That was a game we were supposed to win, and should have been up for, and we performed well enough to win. Don't give me the Wisconsin analogy, because Miles had already made the move away from Harris and to Etling before he was canned. We'd have the same offense (just like we did afterwards, Etling can hit the short passes Harris couldn't). Miles would have a little more on the short yardage plays; possibly a jump pass, at least more than the FB dive every time.
Examples-
- Fournette seeming to have final say on if/when he plays. o let him do this in the Florida game, and it hurt us. Miles let it happen too, it hurt in the Auburn game; and I think there were a couple of other games where Fournette's ego stifled the offense. Miss St comes to mind.
- not playing Guice hardly at all vs several teams; again that's a wash, but not good coaching on either end. He got 5 total carries vs Auburn and Alabama. He ended up with over 1200 yds, he could have made a difference in those games.
- Guice vs A&M... sure, he got the record. Sure, we needed to keep scoring. But MY GOD, he had 37 carries. At some point, you have to sub someone else in.
quote:bullshite. Fournette was coming back against Ole Miss, so he was up. They couldn't stop the run. We win that game with Peveto as head coach, as long as the team hasn't quit.
No way Miles has LSU up for Ole Miss and Arkansas. I think we lose 2 of 3 to Ole Miss, Ark, and A&M with CLM at the helm.
Neither Arkansas nor A&M could stop the run. You think we'd lose under Miles, because the team would be down... but they physically couldn't play against us.
Now as a counter, I think Miles wins the Florida game. That was a game we were supposed to win, and should have been up for, and we performed well enough to win. Don't give me the Wisconsin analogy, because Miles had already made the move away from Harris and to Etling before he was canned. We'd have the same offense (just like we did afterwards, Etling can hit the short passes Harris couldn't). Miles would have a little more on the short yardage plays; possibly a jump pass, at least more than the FB dive every time.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:28 am to LSUZombie
because I don't want anything like Les Miles at LSU ever again?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:55 am to Scoob
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do you have a problem with the way Orgeron has handled the RB position?
at times but I can't remember one coach I didn't have a problem with in how the rb's were handles
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Neither Arkansas nor A&M could stop the run. You think we'd lose under Miles, because the team would be down... but they physically couldn't play against us.
how many teams did we physically outmatch and allow to play with us during the miles era?
For some reason I do agree we beat florida with Les...maybe because that game reminded me of Les
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:04 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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HOW is this being fair? Can you read the man's mind? I certain he was just as frustrated with the offense (and ST) as the rest of us. His actions since taking over support my position. We don't give a shite why he will do it, JUST DO IT.
You just cannot resist shitting on him. Totally uncalled for.
SFP is right.
As soon as he was named the interim coach, he shite all over Miles in the press conference. The whole week leading up to the game, he publicly made it known that he was doing the exact opposite of what Miles did.
As the games went on, he politic'd his way perfectly into giving himself the best chance for the job.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:07 pm to LSUZombie
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So why are we freaking out about O when we are in a position to have two of the best coordinators in the nation?
Because this approach can backfire when you one I'd said coordinators and you don't do a good job of replacing them (see: Doug Mallory and Bradley Dale Peveto)
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:09 pm to LSUZombie
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Which to me shouldn't ever be a problem if you're willing to pay your coordinators up to $2 million a year
That means he keeps his "modest" salary
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:23 pm to c on z
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You did not have the stigma of winning less than 30% of your games
miles 3 years in stillwater
4-7, 8–5, 9–4, and 7–5,
sooo good if you look at the schedules he only really beat OU twice. no other good teams
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
why not?
Miles inherited a dline that was good everywhere. O got one soft in the middle and he's been shoring it up. still a year or two away from having elite upperclassmen in the middle with quality depth, which is what Miles inherited.
Miles inherited a dline that was good everywhere. O got one soft in the middle and he's been shoring it up. still a year or two away from having elite upperclassmen in the middle with quality depth, which is what Miles inherited.
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