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re: Greg McElroy just said LSU best job in the country
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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So what makes LSU a better job than USC, Michigan, Florida, and Georgia?
It's more profitable, 1. Second, and most important, in any commodity industry access to the commodity is paramount. LSU has more natural access to the only commodity that matters when it comes to winning football games, players. It's not debatable that LSU's natural recruiting footprint is in the top 5.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:07 pm
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
ND isn't a better job than us, you are being fricking stupid.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:07 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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The things that made those jobs the best back in the "good ole days" are non factors now.
Exactly. It's 2016 in the middle of the internet and social media age, & people still think "prestige" is relevant to high school age kids.
Look, I think Jim Harbaugh is a top 5 coach in football. But he isn't going to Michigan if he werent an alum there. I very much believe they can return to what they were under Harbaugh, but it remains a work in progress at this point.
I also think very highly of Brian Kelly. 10 top coach in NCAA at worst. But Notre Dame just isnt appealing like it was. They've had trouble with depth because of their academic standards. While its still appealing to kids in the midwest, it hard has that same appeal nationally.
You can look at the hire Michigan made after Lloyd Carr, and the hires that USC has made post-Pete Carrol, and its pretty clear that they arent playing with house money anymore.
LSU meanwhile will always have the recruiting ground of Louisiana with no direct challengers for these players. This is the #1 advantage LSU has over just about any school you listed. They have money to pay their head coach well, as well as his assistants, as evidenced by the best-paid assitant coaches in the country.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:08 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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So what makes LSU a better job than USC, Michigan, Florida, and Georgia?
Let me guess. "No competition for in state recruiting"
Scoff at that all you want but its true and its a state with a lot of talent. Plus the amount of money LSU is willing to spend on coaches. Highest paid coaching staff in the country.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Let me guess. "No competition for in state recruiting"
uhhh yea. Look at the last 3 LSU teams to play for a national title. I did the math once and it was something like 70% of the starters were from in state.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
they have to recruit nationally because they have no instate talent which means they aren't going to be able to keep up.
so that right there knocks them away from being better than us.
they haven't won a title since when? 1980s? the last time they had a big bowl win? i remember LSU railing them and oregon state going in hard on them in bcs games.
ND is a complete and utter has been and they are being sent to the hospice right now to join tennessee. they are on the path to death to go be buried next to the gophers and huskers.
so that right there knocks them away from being better than us.
they haven't won a title since when? 1980s? the last time they had a big bowl win? i remember LSU railing them and oregon state going in hard on them in bcs games.
ND is a complete and utter has been and they are being sent to the hospice right now to join tennessee. they are on the path to death to go be buried next to the gophers and huskers.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Let me guess. "No competition for in state recruiting"
You dont think this is a huge plus?
Doesnt LA have the most talent per capita in the entire country?
Like Lester Earl just said, if these were the best jobs and most sought after in the country, why arent the best coaches beating down the doors for the job, specifically USC?
USC got what their 5th or 6th choice the last two times?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:11 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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The things that made those jobs the best back in the "good ole days" are non factors now. A shred of intellectual honesty would tell you LSU is a top 5 job. It's natural recruiting footprint is better than Alabama, and certainly better than the likes of Michigan and Notre Dame. It's a top 5 program financially on every available metric.
Yeah its not perfect though, as you have to deal with local politics.
Also quite frankly the gap between the top 5 programs and the top 15 programs isn't huge anymore. Hence why Texas couldn't get Saban, and frankly no major coach has been poached since Bret.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:12 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Let me guess. "No competition for in state recruiting"
Well, that's the big one for LSU. After that, I feel like the top 5-10 are all basically interchangeable, depending on which factors you want to pick. All of them have big money donors with cash to throw around (this can be a problem if certain ones meddle too much in the program). Most have great facilities. All are on TV. Tradition is probably overrated, other than maybe for ND. The pull of the SEC is obviously huge, but I'm sure there are coaches who do not want any part of that gauntlet.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:12 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I'm an objective person:
But LSU is a better job than all of the ones you mentioned.
But LSU is a better job than all of the ones you mentioned.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:13 pm to Jones
no instate comp, plus access to houston and Dallas for LSU. Add in that we don't have high standards so we don't have to worry about the admin taking a kid away for grades like ND does. There is no way in hell the unicorn would be allowed in at ND.
ND is a has been due to every team being on tv, and they have no instate recruits. they can't come into LA and get a kid unless LSU doesn't want him. Even if we don't want a kid ND has to fight several other programs of lower stature for that same kid.
the shift of how the game is played, how the game is viewed and how the population shifts has all but buried ND. It already buried the huskers.
ND is a has been due to every team being on tv, and they have no instate recruits. they can't come into LA and get a kid unless LSU doesn't want him. Even if we don't want a kid ND has to fight several other programs of lower stature for that same kid.
the shift of how the game is played, how the game is viewed and how the population shifts has all but buried ND. It already buried the huskers.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
ND tradition is highly overrated. They haven't been good lately. Bama is the only one with tradition that actually matters. They market it extremely well and they are the only one that consistently wins. Even they have down periods but Bama markets its accomplishments extremely well.
as i said in the other thread each one has a key advantage and they all have something in common which is money, facilities, resources and recruits. ND doesn't have the recruiting area.
as i said in the other thread each one has a key advantage and they all have something in common which is money, facilities, resources and recruits. ND doesn't have the recruiting area.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:15 pm to Lester Earl
The way I like to analyze recruiting footprint is proximity/radius to players in relation to dilution by other major programs.
I say a team's radius stretches about 4 hours in every which direction. Why is this? Because most people generally are willing to travel 4 hours to get somewhere before they think of it as being "far".
Take Atlanta, for example. It is a HUGE center of talent, but it is in the radius of about 7 major programs. LSU's radius, and the epicenters therein, are 1. stocked with ELITE talent (NO, Panhandle, HOUSTON AND EAST TEXAS) and 2. it is not diluted with a lot of name brand programs also claiming these epicenters as part of their radius.
I say a team's radius stretches about 4 hours in every which direction. Why is this? Because most people generally are willing to travel 4 hours to get somewhere before they think of it as being "far".
Take Atlanta, for example. It is a HUGE center of talent, but it is in the radius of about 7 major programs. LSU's radius, and the epicenters therein, are 1. stocked with ELITE talent (NO, Panhandle, HOUSTON AND EAST TEXAS) and 2. it is not diluted with a lot of name brand programs also claiming these epicenters as part of their radius.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:15 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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LSU has more natural access to the only commodity that matters when it comes to winning football games, players
Uh, more than USC? No fricking way. USC gets the whole west coast. Cali alone puts WAY more players into the NFL (total, not that per capita spin) than Louisiana does.
LSU has a great talent base but is isn't alone on that.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:16 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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All better jobs than LSU
Based off of what?
Salary wise, Alabama and Michigan pay their coaches $7mil a year. Everyone else is around $5mil a season. Whoever we hire will most definitely get at least $5 mill a season. Facilities at LSU are top notch. We pay our assistants extremely well and we do not have to compete for in state recruits like many other teams do. Not every school keeps the talent cupboard stocked full with 4 and 5 star players. LSU is most definitely a top destination for a coach, and definitely the best one with an available vacancy.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
To expound on my last point, LSU, even after firing their head coach, still has momentum. Every high player in LA wants to be Odell Beckham, Tyrann Mathieu, Patrick Peterson, Jarvis Landry. LSU is "cool". It's DBU. Their players have swag. They are putting players in the NFL. The former players are still very much real to current high school players.
most other schools when you fire a coach, you start from scratch. USC, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, even Texas. They all started fresh or had to start fresh.
most other schools when you fire a coach, you start from scratch. USC, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, even Texas. They all started fresh or had to start fresh.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:17 pm to cardboardboxer
Look at my newest above post. But, generally, I agree USC is about on the same level with access to elite players. I think they struggle more with financial backing and commitment.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:18 pm to cardboardboxer
its going to be hard for any big elite level team to poach from one another outside of coaches having ties to an area or just ready to move on.
if Saban had never left for the NFL then he would still be plowing along at LSU. No one would have been able to pry him from us because none of the elite programs would have a real tie to him to make him want to go.
If we had fired Les last year and the info was correct we had jimbo i think we could chalk that up to him wanting to be back in BR.
if Saban had never left for the NFL then he would still be plowing along at LSU. No one would have been able to pry him from us because none of the elite programs would have a real tie to him to make him want to go.
If we had fired Les last year and the info was correct we had jimbo i think we could chalk that up to him wanting to be back in BR.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:18 pm to cardboardboxer
I think the point is that California feeds the whole west coast/P12. USC probably gets first pick when they are good, though...
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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Uh, more than USC? No fricking way. USC gets the whole west coast. Cali alone puts WAY more players into the NFL (total, not that per capita spin) than Louisiana does.
with the right coach they could re-visit the success they've had. Their current coach is Clay Helton. Who in the royal frick is that?
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