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re: Charles Barkley mad about Auburn hire, is he right?
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:25 am to rbdallas
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:25 am to rbdallas
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Charles has become Whooppie Goldberg who bitched that BLACK Friday (which is based on the accounting term in the black, or in the red)should be called African American Friday......
First of all, I like Charles Barkley. However, did someone point out to him that the retail "Black Friday" is one of the rare instances where colloguially "black" is used with a postive connotation, and we shouldn't muck around with it?
Other uses, which place "black" on the negative side of inferential/implicative equation:
"Black" sheep
"Black" Monday - Friday (Stock Market, as opposed to retail)
"Black" mark
"Black" eye
"Black Sheep" and "Black Eye" are metaphors derived from literal examples. "Black" days on the stock market are a mourning/death reference. "Black" marks are evocative of the actual writing instrument used to record bad behavior or a bad result, etc.
None are overtly racial, nor is the retail reference that you mentioned. Another positive (depending on your views on things) is "black letter law", where the reference is to a specific written law, statute, etc., which has not been interpreted, or needs little to no interpretation. I think that there are significant racial issues to resolve in the U.S., while admiring the progress we have made over the last 50-60 years. However, many problems remain because, in my opinion, there are a number of people out there looking for discrimination where none exists.
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Posted on 12/16/08 at 8:34 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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Barkley does have a racist agenda, but he has a piont to.
Wonder why Barkley doesn't walk the walk and put up a few million on Gill's salary at his preferred university? I think Gill deserves a chance up the ladder also. However, if Barkley is convinced that Gill has been wronged, put up money rather than lip.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 9:15 am to roygu
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there are a number of people out there looking for discrimination where none exists.
it is convenient for some people to do....in some cases profitable.
thanks for the other NON racial examples of Black.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 9:59 am to rbdallas
I think what it is - is that people tend to fall into patterns of behavior over time and tend to be more comfortable with things that have always existed.
If head coaches have pretty much always been white, then it is then tendency to look at white guys when considering hiring one. The same thing used to apply to quarterbacks.
I think this is why the NFL rule actually has made a difference over time. The first guys interviewed were looked on as tokens but owners became familiar with them and in such a small fraternity I'm sure one owner can always call another and ask how the interviews went.
Now it's become a little more comonplace to see a black head coach in the NFL. The college game does seem to be lagging behind a bit.
If head coaches have pretty much always been white, then it is then tendency to look at white guys when considering hiring one. The same thing used to apply to quarterbacks.
I think this is why the NFL rule actually has made a difference over time. The first guys interviewed were looked on as tokens but owners became familiar with them and in such a small fraternity I'm sure one owner can always call another and ask how the interviews went.
Now it's become a little more comonplace to see a black head coach in the NFL. The college game does seem to be lagging behind a bit.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:08 am to Methuselah
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I think what it is - is that people tend to fall into patterns of behavior over time and tend to be more comfortable with things that have always existed.
it is called NETWORKING...
you do so among your friends...
if you are Black, the majority of friends are likely to be Black
if you are White, the majority of friends are likely to be White.
a little bit of human nature...
not always racism but convenience
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:11 pm to rbdallas
the problem with Auburn is they have a few powerful alum, I think about 4 people, who made the choice and the powertrip with those alum is the problem.
I think Barkley is right that they hired the wrong guy and I do think Gill is a better coach the racist issues might not be too far off considering how the process was handled.
I think Barkley is right that they hired the wrong guy and I do think Gill is a better coach the racist issues might not be too far off considering how the process was handled.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 2:08 pm to belowpar
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I think Barkley is right that they hired the wrong guy and I do think Gill is a better coach the racist issues might not be too far off considering how the process was handled.
belowpar, do you think it might be indirect, in that Turner Gill is in an interracial marriage (like Charlie Strong) and that fact is being held against him, rather than directly, based on his own race?
Posted on 12/16/08 at 2:20 pm to AubieOne
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Give me a break. I like Barkley but everything with him is about race. Is Syracuse racist beacause they didnt hire him?
I think Phillip Marshall made some good points regarding this issue:
Auburn is getting a bum rap.
It is getting a bum rap from one of its own former basketball stars, Charles Barkley. It is getting a bum rap from national columnists and reporters who hurl ugly charges without a shred of evidence, showing their own prejudices. It is even getting a bum rap from some of its own supporters.
Auburn could have made a statement by hiring Buffalo’s Turner Gill, an African-American, to be its head football coach. That would have been a good thing. But athletics director Jay Jacobs and those who helped him in his search decided instead to hire Gene Chizik, a good man and a good coach. He has enthusiastic support from many African-American young men who played for him.
There’s plenty of room for disagreement over whether that was the right choice. But there is no evidence that Auburn made its decision based on race.
Why were Tennessee, Syracuse and Clemson not ripped to shreds for not hiring African-Americans? Where was the outcry when Nebraska, Gill’s own alma mater, passed over him last season?
Auburn had serious interviews with two African-American candidates – Gill and Rodney Garner. That, in itself, is more than most schools do. So now Auburn is racist because it didn’t hire one of them? Yet, the other 115 schools that have white coaches aren’t?
Someone needs to explain that to me.
Gill finished second in Auburn’s deliberations. Some believe he should have been first. And there’s nothing wrong with that feeling. Some believe Auburn wasted an opportunity. And there’s nothing wrong with that feeling either.
But the sad thing is that Auburn, as it turns out, would have been better off if it had not interviewed Gill at all.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 3:44 pm to Auburntiger
I can't stand Barkley by the way, but I didn't like that Auburn had a few boosters who made the choice of who the coach was going to be rather than let the proper people do it.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:25 pm to belowpar
What does Shaq think about our DC situation? Does anyone have a link?
Charles got rich off of telling people he was not their role model. Why should we care what he says?
Charles got rich off of telling people he was not their role model. Why should we care what he says?
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:42 pm to bgtiger
Barkley is a fackin a-hole. He's a miserable human being..Who gives 2 shits about his opinion?
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:11 am to LSUokie
yes he is absolutely right, and charles is not right very often....
Posted on 12/17/08 at 4:34 am to Bobby Moore
Barkley's wife is white (her name is Maureen and they married in 1989).
I guess he can cry racism, but I think that more than anything, he's embarrassed because he went out of his way to speak with Gill and since Gill wasn't hired, Barkley has to pin it on something.
Chizik is a good hire based on his DC experience, but it sort of makes you think that based on this year's team....does AU really need MORE defense or OFFENSE?
I guess he can cry racism, but I think that more than anything, he's embarrassed because he went out of his way to speak with Gill and since Gill wasn't hired, Barkley has to pin it on something.
Chizik is a good hire based on his DC experience, but it sort of makes you think that based on this year's team....does AU really need MORE defense or OFFENSE?
Posted on 12/17/08 at 7:38 am to trevolution
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does AU really need MORE defense or OFFENSE?
umm....YES!!
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:10 am to Auburntiger
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Chizik is a good hire based on his DC experience, but it sort of makes you think that based on this year's team....does AU really need MORE defense or OFFENSE?
not just that...
he fits the image that AU wants...
more conservative, preppy etc.
that's why Mike Leach was not even in the running.
Too much down to earth....IMAGE.
AU did not hire the Black candidate, they also did not hire so qualified White candidates.
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:15 am to jjbodean1970
Auburn couldn't get what they wanted this time around. They probably figured it would be harder to fire a black coach when the right guy becomes available.
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