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So...got to the sex scene in "IT" WTF, King?

Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:04 pm
Wow. I mean


Spoilers I guess...





For real a gang bang involving all eleven year olds?

Glad this did not make the movie.

I had actually never heard of it, or knew it was in the books.

Just crazy. Pages long too. Lol

Posted by LSUfan20005
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:16 am to
Read it when I was 12, remember being enthralled.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 6:49 am
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:26 am to
That's your WTF moment? Not when he kills countless kids?
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:11 am to
I had plenty of WTF moments, but the scene was so stupid and out of place, came off as creepy to me.
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:38 am to
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but the scene was so stupid and out of place,

I agree. You know the book is fricked up, but this version of fricked up just doesn't fit with the rest of the book.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:34 pm to
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Pages long too.


Well there were 6 of them. Even at 11 that's bound to take little time.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:23 am
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:38 am to
For me it wasn't so much the act itself, but the fact that King had the girl going into great detail describing each boy, their penis size, how they smelled, etc. Just way past the point of "this is a sex scene" and firmly into "for an adult to be writing this is not OK."
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 6:48 am to
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

So...got to the sex scene in "IT"


Literally read that scene this morning before going to see the movie this afternoon.

I had not heard of it before reading the book either...though someone had mistakenly said, "There's a gang rape scene in the book," so anytime Bev or Audra or any woman got into some situation I kept waiting for them to be raped...

Now...I figured it was coming at some point, because she DOES tell us after sleeping with Bill as adults that she was with all of them. Didn't imagine how it happened though.

I mean...I get what he was going for. At that point in the book they were utterly lost, and their memories and closeness were already slipping. Being kids and not knowing much, she reached for the thing that she thought were bring them closer again. That's obviously a pretty big fricking leap from the puppy love they gave us all book long, but I get it. Parts of even that were ok...the nervousness of the boys, etc. But yeah...we could have done without the excruciating detail. But then, without excruciating detail, the book would have only been 800 pages long instead of 1150 or whatever it ended up bring!

As for the movie...they did hint at it, right? When they added that nonsense of Bev having been taken and floating, what brought her back...what got them focused again was Ben kissing her. I mean...obviously not what King did, but that was the scene.
Posted by TigerNutwhack
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:45 pm to
I've been listening to it over the past weeks and got to this scene yesterday. It completely blindsided me. King was obviously on lots of drugs when he wrote this.

*More Spoilers I guess***



I finished "IT" today, and overall I really liked the book. But some of the parts and asides can really take you out of the moment. By the end, I didn't care about the destruction of Derry, I just wanted to stay with the Losers.

That being said, the part that really got to me was the final forgetting at the end. They had rebuilt this friendship and reconnected, but they knew they would forget each other again. Richie's final "I love you man" and Mike's "I loved all of you so much" have stuck with me since I got to that. Not the kind of things you expect to take away from a horror book.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:04 pm to
The explanation that it made them all closer because it was a show of their love for each other is BS.

They only had sex with Bev, right? Not with each other?

So how does that make them all closer and not just each being closer to Bev?

Men don't need to have sex with each other to love each other.


At the end of the day, this scene is ridiculous, unneeded and sickening.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:02 am to
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That being said, the part that really got to me was the final forgetting at the end. They had rebuilt this friendship and reconnected, but they knew they would forget each other again. Richie's final "I love you man" and Mike's "I loved all of you so much" have stuck with me since I got to that. Not the kind of things you expect to take away from a horror book.


Damn...I had the same feeling walking away from the book!

For me, the book was much more of a coming of age story like Stand By Me than a horror novel. I loved all that stuff, but what really got me hooked into the story was their friendship as kids, that summer as they fought Henry AND dealt with Pennywise and yet still played like regular kids, etc. To then have all those memories come back, deal with their fears and defeat them and then lose that togetherness they had gotten lucky enough to have a second time was heartbreaking. Made me start thinking about my friends at that age...if I still talk to them, have I forgotten them and our adventures, etc.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:09 am to
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The explanation that it made them all closer because it was a show of their love for each other is BS.


She presented it as a bonding thing that would bring them close again as they were starting to forget already and be able to escape the sewers. I mean, it's definitely weird but I get what he was trying to do there.

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They only had sex with Bev, right? Not with each other?


Yeah...they each had sex with Bev.

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At the end of the day, this scene is ridiculous, unneeded and sickening.


It was definitely unneeded, and he could have accomplished the same thing without resorting to that... I think that scene alone has likely kept many people from reading the book because they've heard about it and were so put off by it they decided not to read it at all. Hell...when I told someone I was reading it and was about 200 pages in they told me, "Oh...I've heard there's a gang rape scene in it!!!" I read the whole fricking book worried about Bev or Audra or hell, one of the boys getting raped only to end up with that scene at the end which was no way as bad as what I had pictured.

Posted by Keltic Tiger
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 5:52 pm to
The characters in real life at the time of the filming of the movie were all 14'ish. How old were they in the book?
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:22 pm to
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How old were they in the book?

I think around 11/12.
Posted by SetTheMood
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:28 pm to
I just finished the scene on the audiobook. I knew it came after they defeated IT in the sewers, so I was expecting it. Like others said, it was certainly more graphic than I anticipated. I get what he was going for, but there maybe could have been another unifying act of love/devotion/sacrifice aside from Bev fricking all the boys. Yeesh.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:42 pm to
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I think around 11/12.


Yeah...all the Losers were 11 and in the summer after the 5th grade year. Stan was the same age but had been held back so he had just finished 4th. Bowers was a year or so older...think he'd been held back twice already, but he was also in 5th grade.

To me, that's one of the things that made the story so scary...that they were all so young.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:35 am to
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all the Losers were 11 and in the summer after the 5th grade year. Stan was the same age but had been held back so he had just finished 4th. Bowers was a year or so older...think he'd been held back twice already, but he was also in 5th grade.
It is this age that makes me wonder. I mean, maybe I am out of touch a lot - but while I think 11 year olds are starting to be aware of things like sex, I'm not at all certain that they are all "fully functional" or knowledgeable in what they actually can or will do. Even if an opportunity like Bev gave them is served up on a silver platter. And then I have to wonder about Bev and her true motivation for offering herself up for this - how would this unify the boys if sex might awaken desire and then division between the boys who might view each other as a rival for her affection? Or was her daddy right after all about her being a slutchild? Or was this whole thing another string being pulled in all their heads/bodies by Pennywise from the great eternal beyond?
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:45 pm to
I thought the scene was strange and a bit out of place, but I don't get how people can be so grossed out about kids having sex with each other. It wasn't like a group of adults were having their way with a preteen.

Have any of you read Lolita? That book is a million times more disturbing than a childhood gangbang scene
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:12 am to
Almost every sex scene in a King book is a little WTF. Guy has a weird perception of sex.
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