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UHD or 4K: When should I buy one?

Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:28 pm
Posted by dhuck20
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 6:28 pm
Starting to really warm up to the idea of getting a 4K TV. All the forecasts seem to show a good number of people making the upgrade this year.

I know Netflix has some 4K content and Roku will soon join, but when do you guys see Dish/DirecTV broadcasting 4K if at all? Or will it strictly be streaming?

Price will only go down as availability goes up but seems more like a luxury than even close to a standard.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45760 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:31 pm to
There should be a 4K forum because these type of posts are getting redundant. If you want a 4K TV just effing go buy one, already.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 7:43 pm
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:46 pm to
Why didn't you say fricking? pussy
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:56 pm to
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There should be a fricking 4K, wireless, cellphone, redundant bullshite forum
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:59 pm to
I still don't think it's worth it. The year the Superbowl will be in UHD is the year I buy.

Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45760 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:11 pm to
fricking a-hole.

Feel better? I do.

Thanks!
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:17 pm to
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when do you guys see Dish/DirecTV broadcasting 4K if at all? Or will it strictly be streaming?


There might be a handful of movies in 4k. Even possibly a channel of two. After that we are a long way from having more than a few channels available. No one even broadcasts in 1080p.
Posted by dhuck20
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:32 pm to
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There should be a 4K forum because these type of posts are getting redundant. If you want a 4K TV just effing go buy one, already.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:51 pm to
The fact that 99% of what's out there is broadcast in 1080i/720p means to me that 4K is practically worthless imo.

All the sports I watch are broadcast in 720p, so it doesn't really make a difference to me if my TV is capable of roughly 2160p.
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:52 pm to
Yeah I just wonder when sports, etc will make that jump. That's when I need one.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:00 pm to
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Yeah I just wonder when sports, etc will make that jump. That's when I need one.



Seems like it will be a decent ways away. At least a few years longer.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:33 am to
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I know Netflix has some 4K content and Roku will soon join,



You won't be getting 4k out of your current roku. The only standalone 4k streaming box I'm currently aware of that will get you Netflix is the Sony fmp-x10 (~$600). Otherwise, you'll be stuck with the TV's streaming apps (or buying the new roku box if and when it's released, but it's not been priced to my knowledge). Regardless, you'll either need to be content with a smart tv app or factor in an extra cost for a very limited amount of content (ie- you'll be an "early adopter" on the "bleeding edge" and there will be headache followed by heartache for lack of content and future price breaks.



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when do you guys see Dish/DirecTV broadcasting 4K if at all?


A minimum a 5 years after they begin broadcasting in 1080p, date of which is undetermined and anxiously awaited by this guy.


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seems more like a luxury than even close to a standard.



Hey, if you are accustomed to a very large TV/projector screen from a very close distance, want to have the latest and greatest, are willing to use just the TV's embedded app or spending a premium on a 4k streamer, either of which has very limited 4k content (or you just happen to like the "retail mode" loops of content they play), won't be placing it into a system that doesn't support it (like a receiver that won't pass 4k video through it), want to buy a new Blu ray player (hdmi 2.0 required, I do believe. 2014 marked its release for single-cable 4k support. There are also some multi-cable solutions for passing 4k content over hdmi with older standards, if I'm not mistaken, but I'll admit to being out of my element there) and discs, then this thing is for you. If the above isn't you, waiting is probably the better option.


ETA: I'm unclear as to whether or not computers are capable of streaming the 4k content from Netflix. But I figured you wouldn't mentioned use with such a computer if that were a plan/option/consideration.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 12:34 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45760 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:37 pm to
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There are also some multi-cable solutions for passing 4k content over hdmi with older standards, if I'm not mistaken, but I'll admit to being out of my element there)


You're correct.

You're out of your element.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:40 pm to
Netflix 4K is great.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:09 am to
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There are also some multi-cable solutions for passing 4k content over hdmi with older standards


It was a stop-gap solution for 4k at 60hz (instead of 30hz) over HDMI 1.4 (has to be supported by the monitor), a useful solution for PC. Otherwise it's 4k 30hz over HDMI 1.4. DisplayPort 1.2 has the bandwidth to achieve 4k 60hz with a single cable via MST (multistream transport) -- again, very PC-oriented, as 60hz+ is vital on PC. In both cases, monitors that support it would still treat them as separate inputs (split screen). Nvidia implemented chroma subsampling for 4k 60hz via a single-cable HDMI 1.4 solution, but it's lossy: LINK

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ETA: I'm unclear as to whether or not computers are capable of streaming the 4k content from Netflix.

Oh yeah, that's a big, fat, infuriating no -- likewise for Amazon I'm sure. Only on the TVs deemed worthy (i.e., supports H.265/HEVC). Windows 10 brings native HEVC support to the masses, but the general expert consensus seems to be that the DRM-happy studios are extra-paranoid about 4k streaming on the PC because of the many methods of capturing and distributing it. For several months, I've remained minutes away from ordering a 4K monitor, and this has contributed to my reluctance a little, plus the fact that the primary benefit of it (gaming) would be hindered by my GPU setup (powerful but just not quite enough for 60fps 4k gaming on the latest big titles).

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You're correct.

You're out of your element.


You seem to take pleasure in shitting on people trying to help, and not so much in actually providing help. Why?
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 1:08 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45760 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 6:53 am to
Agreed. Apologies to the board for being crass. This isn't the OT.

No offense, but you seem to take great pride in "educating", by putting out tabulations of specs and history of a technology. Not sure if that's particularly helpful to someone who is looking to purchase a new TV. Your posts are usually puffed up with specs and technical engineering jargon as if you're writing a technical white paper. That's cool and that's just your way of showing your grasp, I guess, of a subject.

So here's my helpful friendly suggestion for the OP. Google is everyone's friend. TD is great for casual conversation and advice, but the OP asked a very general, generic question. It was overly broad. In that regard, I think there are sites that specialize in reviewing television sets and other video technologies, and feed out reviews in common sense language that carries with it a great amount of weight because of the valuable experience of the writers. One of the best ISF calibrators out there is Kevin Miller. Look for sites featuring Kevin and you'll gain keen insight into quality products and the current state of the video display industry. If quality is a secondary consideration, however, and budget is the primary factor, then really, I think most posters should just pop down to Walmart and buy the TV that looks good to them and fits their budget.

There are so many 4K television sets out there selling for far less than HD sets sold for at this same stage of early adoption that I don't understand the reticence or reluctance of some to move forward and just get 4K now. If anything, if one is to take pause in a decision, it should be to decide on the display technology, not resolution. Does one get OLED or LED?

One bit of technical advice I'll offer. Be sure to get a 4K video display that includes HDCP 2.2 compatibility. This is not to be confused with HDMI 2.0. When 4K Blu-ray comes out in Q4 this year, any new 4K set will be obsolete if it is not HDCP 2.2 compliant. As will any soundboard, extender and receiver. HDCP 2.2 is not backwards compatible to current or existing components that don't use HDCP 2.2. Oh, and don't buy cables at retail. Buy online, like at Monoprice.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:31 am to
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No offense, but you seem to take great pride in "educating", by putting out tabulations of specs and history of a technology. Not sure if that's particularly helpful to someone who is looking to purchase a new TV. Your posts are usually puffed up with specs and technical engineering jargon as if you're writing a technical white paper. That's cool and that's just your way of showing your grasp, I guess, of a subject.


No offense, but you're still coming across as a catty little bitch. Ignoring the fact that my last post was not aimed at the OP whatsoever but toward someone whom I know actually understands all that puffy technical jargon about refresh rates and other basic shite that just so happens to be extremely important, my posts are about being thorough and clear rather than confusing and infuriating the layman -- sure, they can get long-winded as hell and turn into stream of consciousness (or just word vomit covering the core issue top to bottom and anything peripherally related to it), but in all cases, I am neither unwilling nor unable to explain something in my post that's too jargony or otherwise unclear. Otherwise, posting here would be an even bigger waste of time than it already is. I take great pride in educating, sans the childish quotes, on all topics I'm passionate about. That's my give-a-shite factor at work.
Posted by PurpleGoldTiger
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Mar 2010
4009 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:09 am to
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No offense, but you seem to take great pride in "educating", by putting out tabulations of specs and history of a technology. Not sure if that's particularly helpful to someone who is looking to purchase a new TV.

Oh wow.
quote:

my posts are about being thorough and clear rather than confusing and infuriating the layman

I believe that many if not most of us appreciate it. I much rather you be very specific (even if I have to google the technical jargon) instead of have to go find supplemental information to fill in the gaps that you seldom leave. This is the Tech Board after all.
quote:

I take great pride in educating on all topics I'm passionate about. That's my give-a- shite factor at work.



ETA:
And I wouldn't buy a 4k TV for the foreseeable future. The supply of content just isn't there to justify the extra cost.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57442 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:52 am to
So you are saying 4k tvs right now are useless?

Does a 4k TV stream 4k from netflix?

im going to pick up a 70" soon and can save 800 bucks going with the E70 vizio vs the M70
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 10:40 am to
I'm in the same boat ramrod. I'm going E70,when 4k becomes more mainstream in a few years I'll re-evaluate because prices will be so much lower.

ETA: why is HubbaBubba such a whiny bitch in this thread?
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 10:44 am
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