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Best and most protective surge protector
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:21 pm
Just bought a new TV that I spent too much money on. What is the best surge protector currently on the market?
TIA
TIA
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:30 pm to Flanders
surge protector
tripp lite
whole house
earthing system
IEEE
Just making sure Westom finds this thread. Not that I'm really sure if his advice is good or not because I do not read it.
tripp lite
whole house
earthing system
IEEE
Just making sure Westom finds this thread. Not that I'm really sure if his advice is good or not because I do not read it.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:41 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I don't read the tech board. So your joke just went way over my head. Looking for friendly helpful advice. Don't clog my thread with that please.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:16 pm to Flanders
I wasn't kidding. Google "westom surge protector" or wait for him to reply personally.
If you ask me, surge protectors are, to some degree, voodoo chicken shite... in the sense that modern electronics have a certain level of built-in protection from most random spikes, and a rare but destructive surge will not be mitigated by a surge protector coming out of your wall. That said, I still use them (cheap ones) because my opinion is not based on any hard research. I choose 'em based on joule rating and what I want to spend. I suppose reviews might be considered... Incidentally, I can give all my surge protectors 5-star reviews because my electronics are still alive. I guess that's how that works.
If you ask me, surge protectors are, to some degree, voodoo chicken shite... in the sense that modern electronics have a certain level of built-in protection from most random spikes, and a rare but destructive surge will not be mitigated by a surge protector coming out of your wall. That said, I still use them (cheap ones) because my opinion is not based on any hard research. I choose 'em based on joule rating and what I want to spend. I suppose reviews might be considered... Incidentally, I can give all my surge protectors 5-star reviews because my electronics are still alive. I guess that's how that works.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:20 pm to Flanders
It wasn't a joke.
Try a goolge search for such a simple question, or amazon sorted by user rating.
Try a goolge search for such a simple question, or amazon sorted by user rating.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:04 am to Flanders
Richard Gray's Power Company
He is a New Orlenian and an electrical wizard.
His power products are used by numerous audio manufacturers at the high end audio shows. Many of the systems they protect/regulate are north of $500k...
RGPC
I use a 1200C and a Sub Station in one of my audio rigs.
He is a New Orlenian and an electrical wizard.
His power products are used by numerous audio manufacturers at the high end audio shows. Many of the systems they protect/regulate are north of $500k...
RGPC
I use a 1200C and a Sub Station in one of my audio rigs.
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 12:29 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:07 am to Flanders
I use this in another one of my audio rigs--the Pioneer Elite Plasma is plugged into this...
McIntosh MPC1500
McIntosh MPC1500
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 12:14 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:09 am to Flanders
Also, check out Furman--they are used in pro audio all over the world and have been around for decades.
They make models for home that range from $150-$5000.
Furman
I have This one in the system that controls all the outdoor audio. It runs around $300 or so.
As you can see, it is pretty slim and will give a readout of the incoming voltage...
They make models for home that range from $150-$5000.
Furman
I have This one in the system that controls all the outdoor audio. It runs around $300 or so.
As you can see, it is pretty slim and will give a readout of the incoming voltage...
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 12:28 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 7:47 am to Flanders
Consider this:
How does a computers uninterruptible power supply work?
Battery Backup
How does a computers uninterruptible power supply work?
quote:
A UPS generally protects a computer against four different power problems:
•Voltage surges and spikes - Times when the voltage on the line is greater than it should be
•Voltage sags - Times when the voltage on the line is less than it should be
•Total power failure - Times when a line goes down or a fuse blows somewhere on the grid or in the building
•Frequency differences - Times when the power is oscillating at something other than 60 Hertz
Battery Backup
quote:
Free Shipping
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:57 am to Flanders
I bought the Tripp Lite after the board recommended it
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:04 am to Flanders
One can read Tripplite spec numbers to appreciate its near zero protection. Over 100 years of science and experience demonstrate a completely different and much less expensive solution. Summarized here:
re: Surge protector recommendations
How and why surges do damage was explained here:
Re: I need house surge protection after tonight
re: Surge protector recommendations
How and why surges do damage was explained here:
Re: I need house surge protection after tonight
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 2:01 pm to Flanders
Surge protectors do little more than protect you from dirty power in your house, they won't do a thing to protect from something like a lightning strike. Generally speaking they only provide a tenth, at best, of the joules protection as a typical strike.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 8:39 pm to jcole4lsu
From experience.
Check the UL label, get one with UL #1449 meaning it was UL tested as a surge protector. Many of the cheap plug strip type surge protectors are only UL tested as plug strips.
With a lighting strike or power company surge they can and will catch on fire. I have seen it a dozen times at least.
The UL 1449 type will burn out from a lighting strike, but will still protect equipment down line and they wont catch on fire.
Check the UL label, get one with UL #1449 meaning it was UL tested as a surge protector. Many of the cheap plug strip type surge protectors are only UL tested as plug strips.
With a lighting strike or power company surge they can and will catch on fire. I have seen it a dozen times at least.
The UL 1449 type will burn out from a lighting strike, but will still protect equipment down line and they wont catch on fire.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 10:44 pm to Kajungee
quote:
The UL 1449 type will burn out from a lighting strike, but will still protect equipment down line and they wont catch on fire.
This is why I buy the cheapest ones rated for this. They are designed to fail.
Unless using it as a power conditioner or UPS.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:30 am to Kajungee
quote:
From experience.
Demonstrated is how scams get promoted. UL1449 does nothing to define effective protection. UL1449 approval does not test for transistor protection. UL is about human protection - not about transistor protection. Even a grossly undersized protector can do no effective protection and obtain a UL listing. Because it did not burn down a house and threaten human life - during testing.
A protector burns out because a surge, too tiny to overwhelm protection inside appliances, also destroys a grossly undersized protector. Then a $3 power strip with ten cent protector parts can sell for an obscenely profitable $25 or $100. Does that meet the definition of a scam?
UL is about human protection. Effective surge protection is about transistor protection. Latter states where hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate ... without any protector failure.
From elementary school science, remember how electricity works. If electricity is incoming to a protector, then same current (at same time) is also outgoing into 'equipment down line'. Long later, one or many items in that path fail. A same current incoming to a protector destroys a near zero protector. Same current does not overwhelm superior protection in attached appliances. Where is the protection?
Anything that fails on a surge (as reported by a protector's fail light) did not do protection. Why did that near zero and UL listed protector fail?
To keep near zero protector parts from causing a fire, a thermal fuse disconnects protector parts as fast as possible. Surge current remains connected to attached appliances. Now a protector strip becomes a non-protector power strip. Protector parts remain disconnected. Appliances remains connected to AC mains (and all surges).
Sometimes a thermal fuse does not disconnect fast enough. A fire occurs. UL only says a protector is less likely to kill a human. But UL is only about protecting humans - not transistors.
Recently, APC admitted this threat exists with some million of their previously sold and UL listed protectors. Remove those protectors immediately - no delay - to avert threats to human life. Protectors that fail during one surge, are grossly undersized - and obscenely profitable.
One properly earthed 'whole house' solution means direct lightning strikes without damage even to a protector. Specification numbers define that effective protection. Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate - to even protect near zero plug-in (and UL listed) protectors.
Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. UL listing says nothing about appliance protection.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:41 am to retired trucker
quote:
I've had a cpl of these since 2000, tripplite line conditioner
How does a protector that only absorbs 400 joules and never more than 800 joules protect from surges that can be hundreds of thousands of joules? How much was that near zero protector? Effective 'whole house' protector (necessary to protect that near zero Tripplite) costs about $1 per protected appliance. A well proven and properly earthed solution will even protect that near zero Tripplite (for 174 times less money?).
Where is anything that says a Tripplite does something useful?
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 10:44 am
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