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What makes a club, a "Big Club?"
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:51 pm
We hear this term thrown around so often. I was just reading a small snippet on Sky regarding the new Villa manager contacting a former Villa manager and the former told the new "....it's a big club...." OK, but what does that mean?
I've seen it commented on this very board before regarding some teams, with others refuting those claims. So, are there certain criteria you feel a team must meet to be considered a "big club?"
I've seen it commented on this very board before regarding some teams, with others refuting those claims. So, are there certain criteria you feel a team must meet to be considered a "big club?"
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:55 pm to GeauxColonels
Villa is a big club with the potential to be massive again
Biggest club in the 2nd city.
History and fans are the main two factors.
Biggest club in the 2nd city.
History and fans are the main two factors.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 2:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
with the boom of soccer, especially tv, i think some consider big club= World Popularity
Especially for those outside of Europe looking in.
Especially for those outside of Europe looking in.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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History and fans are the main two factors.
OK, I get that historical success factors in. But what about the fans make it a big club?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:59 pm to GeauxColonels
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But what about the fans make it a big club?
It's got a big fan base because it's the biggest club in England's second city.
I mean, Villa Park is the seventh-biggest stadium in the league. Bigger than Stamford Bridge and White Hart Lane.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 4:17 pm to GeauxColonels
In the case of the Villa managers, this is just a case of certain people viewing the club as big. In the big scheme, world class, whatever you want to call it, Villa is in no way a big club. But for some, a club is a big club if it is in the top flight. For others, if a club has a long distinguished history and great supporters then that makes it a big club. For others, it might be that a club has to consistently win trophies to be called a big club. Still others might say a big club has to have world class star players.
The term is subjective. My thought is that if a club is in the top flight then it is in the big time. However, that in no way means that it is an elite club.
The term is subjective. My thought is that if a club is in the top flight then it is in the big time. However, that in no way means that it is an elite club.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:18 pm to WarSlamEagle
they used to play cup semis at villa park.
some clubs like man united or arsenal are all-around big clubs
nottingham forest is a big club in a historical sense. but it doesn't get any bigger than notts county
some clubs like man united or arsenal are all-around big clubs
nottingham forest is a big club in a historical sense. but it doesn't get any bigger than notts county
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 8:36 pm to GeauxColonels
BRB.... let me ask my wife
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:06 pm to GeauxColonels
Titles and being a buying club and not a selling club.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:50 pm to RandySavage
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being a buying club and not a selling club.
Interesting. By that metric, there would only be a few "big clubs" per league, no?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:00 pm to RandySavage
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being a buying club and not a selling club.
meh not really
City isn't a big club. Being a rich club does not make you a big club. Plenty of big clubs right now that are not buying players by the bundles completely out spending everyone.
Chelsea struck gold at the right time. No FFP and winning titles during the the world wide explosion of the EPL giving them maximum exposure booming their fan base an appeal.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:00 am to StraightCashHomey21
Seems more in eye of beholder to me. You have a lot of the clubs with larger fanbases referred to as "big clubs." obviously they're not going to spend the kind of money the CL teams do. The Sunderland, Newcastle, villas of the world were all successful clubs at some point in their history and get 40k+ in their stadium each week so I guess compared to the Norwich, bournemouths of the world they are a "big" club. Doesn't mean they are well run or even half as successful as some "small" clubs like southampton, Swansea, etc.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:06 am to GeauxColonels
$.
Everything else takes care of itself.
Everything else takes care of itself.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:32 am to lynxcat
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$.
Everything else takes care of itself.
PSG begs to differ.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:51 am to STLhog
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PSG begs to differ.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:57 am to StraightCashHomey21
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City isn't a big club.
If they aren't now, it's only because of their lack of success in Europe, which will change soon.
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Being a rich club does not make you a big club
Again, in time it will.
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Plenty of big clubs right now that are not buying players by the bundles completely out spending everyone.
Who, the Italian ones? How's that working out for them.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:09 am to St Augustine
Many clubs still have members, so you combine their historical success, with attendance/ground size, as well as membership and money. I know in the 90s, the trend was to go public and sell stock shares. But almost all of them still have actual members.
Barcelona is the biggest club in the world with over 110,000 members who pay dues, and carry club ID cards.
Barcelona is the biggest club in the world with over 110,000 members who pay dues, and carry club ID cards.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:50 am to RandySavage
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If they aren't now, it's only because of their lack of success in Europe, which will change soon.
We don't know if that will change or not. Villa is a more successful club than City.
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Again, in time it will.
You can't for sure say that. City is fighting an uphill battle. But they have been very good at getting sponsorship to boost the clubs income because they don't generate the organic income like others do.
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Who, the Italian ones? How's that working out for them.
I dunno Juve made it to the champions league final just this last season.
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:06 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Villa is a more successful club than City.
This is the equivalence of saying that Army is a more successful college football team than Florida.
Technically, yes I suppose. But it really has no bearing in the world we live in today.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:21 am to John Keating
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This is the equivalence of saying that Army is a more successful college football team than Florida.
Technically, yes I suppose. But it really has no bearing in the world we live in today.
Hell Arsenal went what 10 years with out a trophy and yet are still a big club.
Villa played in the FA Cup final last year
2 league crowns and one fa cup and a league cup with no success in Europe since 2008 and over a billion pounds spent just doesn't make you a big club. A Yoyo club doesn't become a big club over night.
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