re: USWNT files federal discrimination suit against US Soccer, demand equal pay

Because the clubs demand a significant cut if a player goes down in international game. There's that dynamic as well.

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frick it. I'm not even engaging with this board on this topic. Not worth it.

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Gotta ignore the trolls, man. Although the two sides aren't ever going to see eye-to-eye on this topic, that dude isn't even a part of "this board."

When they start playing the same sport, they'll get equal pay

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Ok but I would imagine in a WC year and immediately following a WC victory (the victory tour/Abby's farewell) those numbers are inflated

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yup and the men still draw more fans

not to mention the prices difference in tickets

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He said, "Male athletes will always be paid more." Not male soccer players.

And it's the always part that stood out to me. The world changes pretty fast.

Serena Williams, who I'm not a fan of, is worth $140 million.

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1. One woman athlete is a very small sample size and most of her money is from endorsements.

2. If you honestly think a woman athlete will ever make more than Steph, Lebron, Messi, Ronaldo etc to all sports with male and female counterparts.....then you're out of you're mind.

3. The USWNT I think does deserve a raise, but to say they deserve equal pay with the men for what is widely known to be a less entertaining product against a less competitive field is a farce and a blind view on things.

FWIW, I'm not arguing for 'equal pay, no matter what.' The market should dictate those things.

But there are important conversations to have about how the market is tilted toward the men's game from the top. Revenue streams for the Women's World Cup aren't even itemized. Just lumped in with all other World Cups.

For every billion spent on the sport's development, $13 million is invested in the women's game.

So, I get it. I can't watch the WNBA. I do find soccer, tennis, and some other sports to be much more gender equitable, though, and the USWNT might have to piss some people off to try leveling the playing field some.

Proportional pay/investment would be a start. Not equal. Proportional.

Of course, we still have fricking mouth breathers making hilarious Alex Morgan porn jokes, so I'm not optimistic.

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Proportional pay/investment would be a start. Not equal. Proportional.

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I can go with this. I don't think anyone could logically argue that there would be something wrong with the team members taking an equal percentage of their own generated revenue.

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And it's the always part that stood out to me. The world changes pretty fast.

Serena Williams, who I'm not a fan of, is worth $140 million. Billie Jean King wasn't worth that.

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What a ridiculous comparison. You're making a comparison to an athlete whose prime was 40 years ago and talking about dollar values?

So much has changed that it's not even worth beginning to list how ridiculous your comparison is. Not to mention its total irrelevance. Even if Serena is worth $140 million, that's not even half of Roger Federer's net worth, so your comparison completely fails.

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I mean, right now, I would guess Carli Lloyd or Alex Morgan could net more in endorsements than any US Soccer player. Who in the men's game is more marketable than her?

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I'd agree with this.

However, I'm not talking about marketability. I'm talking base salary. They didn't file suit regarding dollars from endorsements. They want a higher salary for playing on the USWNT.

This isn't about who you are, or how marketable you are. It's about what is a fair amount of pay for the product you're supplying a consumer.

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What a ridiculous comparison. You're making a comparison to an athlete whose prime was 40 years ago and talking about dollar values?

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Well, yeah. He said, 'always.' And I was pointing out that a lot changes in 40 years.