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Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:47 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I think the draft is fine for college kids, hopefully in the not too distance future that draft will be only for filling out the reserve squad roster (it almost already is)
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:47 pm to John Keating
quote:I dont expect it to but I don't think this is the right time to start pulling players away from Europe in their prime to play in it. One day maybe but not now.
I do not understand how people expect a league that has only existed since 1996 and essentially was rebooted in 2005 to function like one of the top European leagues. It will take time and there will be certain aspects that will need tending and nurturing before refinement and polishing can be applied. I think the MLS is an incredible success story that is still just moving out of childhood into adolescence in a sense.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:54 pm to heartbreakTiger
I understand and agree with the need to expand. Geography must be taken into account when you are talking about the US. They say that they are going to stop at 28 clubs and I think that sounds right. I look at the support and the great things that places like Sacramento, Cincinnati, and San Antonio are doing and I think there is space for them in MLS. I would, however, stop at 28.
The league needs to continue to fill out its geographic footprint and that should be close to being fulfilled. Attendance needs to continue to be nurtured. The primary issue moving forward is TV. Geography, attendance, and enthusiasm will hopefully be to the point where revenue from TV can be exponentially driven to larger amounts. Meanwhile, the presence of academy development at MLS clubs should help greatly with youth.
Once maturation has been established regarding the league, the final step should be the adoption of promotion and relegation. My hope is to bring all the clubs together, including the viable ones from NASL and USL, and creating a three tiered structure. You could have MLS and USL1 and USL2 or you could have MLS and MLS2 and MLS3. The fourth division could continue to be the NPSL. The champion of the lower division should gain automatic promotion and you could have a playoff between the 2nd and 3rd place finishers to determine another club for promotion. Conversely, the last place club should be automatically relegated and the next two worst finishers could have a playoff to determine the other club to suffer relegation. I am an optimist and I like the opportunities that lie ahead for American soccer. I am enjoying the perspective of watching it unfold.
The league needs to continue to fill out its geographic footprint and that should be close to being fulfilled. Attendance needs to continue to be nurtured. The primary issue moving forward is TV. Geography, attendance, and enthusiasm will hopefully be to the point where revenue from TV can be exponentially driven to larger amounts. Meanwhile, the presence of academy development at MLS clubs should help greatly with youth.
Once maturation has been established regarding the league, the final step should be the adoption of promotion and relegation. My hope is to bring all the clubs together, including the viable ones from NASL and USL, and creating a three tiered structure. You could have MLS and USL1 and USL2 or you could have MLS and MLS2 and MLS3. The fourth division could continue to be the NPSL. The champion of the lower division should gain automatic promotion and you could have a playoff between the 2nd and 3rd place finishers to determine another club for promotion. Conversely, the last place club should be automatically relegated and the next two worst finishers could have a playoff to determine the other club to suffer relegation. I am an optimist and I like the opportunities that lie ahead for American soccer. I am enjoying the perspective of watching it unfold.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:58 pm to John Keating
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My hope is to bring all the clubs together, including the viable ones from NASL and USL, and creating a three tiered structure. You could have MLS and USL1 and USL2 or you could have MLS and MLS2 and MLS3.
No way those recent ownership groups like nycfc with the oil barons or David beckham sign off on that after ivnesting over 100 million dollars. That ship sailed the day the league was set up and went the franchise model route and having MLS control everything contract wise.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:58 pm to StraightCashHomey21
There will only be 24 teams in 2018, assuming Miami can get a stadium. The league went 14 years without a single team in the southeast, and even before and since then the teams have only been in Florida. Hell, next year will be the first time there has been a team within 450 miles from me, and this is an area where you can play year round. The league has alienated an entire region that loves sports.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:59 pm to John Keating
I think that would be a good plan. I like promoting the champ. Then I would have 2nd and 3rd take on the second and third to last with the spots up for grabs
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:01 pm to pvilleguru
The comish has already said they are looking at getting to 28-30 teams. Problem is where are the players going to come from. Only way for that to work and keep the standard of play were it is at or improve is that the quality of home grown players increases very quickly.
When the MLS first started the quality was actually pretty decent bc we had less teams and some rosters were loaded.
When the MLS first started the quality was actually pretty decent bc we had less teams and some rosters were loaded.
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Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I know, but it's not there now and still won't be there til probably at least after 2020.
The comish has already said they are looking at getting to 28-30 teams.
When they get to that range, I can see them adding international spots.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I believe it could happen. It would be unique to American professional sports leagues. It is a ways off, I would say there is no chance that it will happen in the next ten years but I believe that it could be gradually added to the model. It all depends on continued future growth in terms of investment, enthusiasm, and revenue. MLS may outright purchase NASL or you could possibly see a merger along the lines of the NFL and AFL. It is quite possible that some blending could be ahead all for the purpose of growing the pie. MLS owners can have their investments protected if there is enough revenue that can be captured.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:06 pm to heartbreakTiger
*IF* you could ever get buy-in on promotion/relegation, you'd probably have to promote/demote by average W/L every three years or five years or something.
It would be nice for there to be a penalty for teams to *consistently* suck like the 76ers or Browns.
It would be nice for there to be a penalty for teams to *consistently* suck like the 76ers or Browns.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:07 pm to StraightCashHomey21
They might go for it in my format as it gives more protection to them. Also let the teams have full control on contracts and eliminate the draft.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:08 pm to Sheep
I'd even take that going on three years. The league would have to adjust for tournies and not play during copa and such
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:11 pm to chalmetteowl
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What would be awesome is a first division NOLA FC playing Houston, Atlanta, and Dallas, or a second division NOLA FC playing at Shreveport, Jackson, Mobile, etc. As MLS gets through all the major cities, they have to have more cost effective forms for second-tier markets
USL. USL is going to become MLS 2 some day when relegation/promotion is instituted 50 years down the line (if ever...). NASL wants to be like MLS but is probably going to go the way of the dodo once pro/rel occurs and USL remains the more relevant league.
Right now NOLA appears to be on the path to getting an NASL team within the next decade. They are better funded than USL but in their minds are trying to compete with MLS and would probably not agree to pro/rel with MLS ever. USL is ok with accepting 2nd tier status (unlike NASL), so I could see it gladly joining into a pro/rel scenario with MLS.
Currently the only soccer options for the southern states are PDL and NPSL teams (lower than the aforementioned leagues and mostly made of college players on their offseasons).
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:15 pm to pvilleguru
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There will only be 24 teams in 2018, assuming Miami can get a stadium. The league went 14 years without a single team in the southeast, and even before and since then the teams have only been in Florida. Hell, next year will be the first time there has been a team within 450 miles from me, and this is an area where you can play year round. The league has alienated an entire region that loves sports.
You cannot have a viable league with this reality. You have to reach people. MLS recognized this issue and correctly knew it had to expand. Of course there will be short term dilution of quality but that can be assuaged with Latin players to some degree. The long term benefits will be extraordinary for quality, not just in terms of the league but moreover in terms of America in general. MLS academies are becoming real, bona fide structures of development and they will definitely play a leading role in the revolution of talented young American players. The depth of quality will be significantly enhanced.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:16 pm to John Keating
I think a huge problem with fans is the unrealistic expectations people have and want the MLS to become. We are used to having the best league in pretty much every sport with all the money and pick of the players. So seeing an American League so far down in the pecking order. Also doesn't help when the comish says we are going to be a top 5 league by 2022 or guys like Lalas saying its a top ten league doesn't help.
Honestly there is nothing wrong with the MLS quality being like the Brazilian or Argentina league. Good quality and the clubs and league making money on our home grown players going to Europe.
Honestly there is nothing wrong with the MLS quality being like the Brazilian or Argentina league. Good quality and the clubs and league making money on our home grown players going to Europe.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Can everybody in here please stop saying "the MLS." 
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:19 pm to John Keating
That's is banking big time on American players getting that good. Bc the players from abroad just won't be there especially with how the league is set up.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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guys like Lalas saying its a top ten league doesn't help.
I was just saying this about him last week. He's horrible for the game here. Everything is either doom and gloom or false hope. He is not what you want when trying to gain viewers
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:20 pm to SabiDojo
And he is a shite analyst
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