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re: Thoughts on Brek Shea's comments
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:20 pm to jackwoods4
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:20 pm to jackwoods4
Saying the MLS isn't the same as saying The MLS like its the official name.
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Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:24 pm to John Keating
Base each team's salary cap on how many homegrown players they use. Just do something to get young Americans on the field regularly.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:26 pm to apfour21
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I made a thread about 10 months ago about the DP ruining the USMNT and this kind of solidifies it
Shea is not a DP so I'm not sure what connection you're trying to make here.
Some DPs come here for the paycheck and a vacation. Others really give it their all. Henry, Villa, Keane, Kaka, Giovinco, etc are all guys who have taken the league seriously and absolutely lit it up. Overall the DP rule has been a net positive for MLS and soccer in America. It has made the product more entertaining and competitive. Games that I watched before the DP rule and five years after the DP rule was put in place look nothing alike. The product is so much better it's not even funny. Honestly, I think people who complain about the DP rule either aren't watching MLS enough or heard about one or two bad apples and applied it to the entire DP rule.
The biggest negative I can think of for the DP rule is helping to artificially inflate the prices of players like Bradley and Altidore, so that instead of toughing it out in Europe and continuing to improve they wind up with offers so good they can't turn them down, and subsequently their play for the national team suffers. Again, it helps put butts in seats which will help grow the game here, but the immediate damage to our national team players is hard to ignore.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:27 pm to pvilleguru
Pro/rel won't help youth players. Managers with force the vets because of the higher costs of losing.
So I don't think you can get both in the short term.
So I don't think you can get both in the short term.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:43 pm to cwil177
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Shea is not a DP so I'm not sure what connection you're trying to make here.
Some DPs come here for the paycheck and a vacation. Others really give it their all. Henry, Villa, Keane, Kaka, Giovinco, etc are all guys who have taken the league seriously and absolutely lit it up. Overall the DP rule has been a net positive for MLS and soccer in America. It has made the product more entertaining and competitive. Games that I watched before the DP rule and five years after the DP rule was put in place look nothing alike. The product is so much better it's not even funny. Honestly, I think people who complain about the DP rule either aren't watching MLS enough or heard about one or two bad apples and applied it to the entire DP rule.
The biggest negative I can think of for the DP rule is helping to artificially inflate the prices of players like Bradley and Altidore, so that instead of toughing it out in Europe and continuing to improve they wind up with offers so good they can't turn them down, and subsequently their play for the national team suffers. Again, it helps put butts in seats which will help grow the game here, but the immediate damage to our national team players is hard to ignore.
What? The connection is that even the players who play in it are not taking seriously and know its a mediocre league. There is no way he is only one who cam back in their prime who thinks like this. Foreign players past their prime is irrelevant to what I am talking. You literally make my exact point from my thread in your final part of your post.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:48 pm to apfour21
As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer.
Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country.
The USMNT is composed of the premier soccer players in the USA, NOT the premier athletes.
Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country.
The USMNT is composed of the premier soccer players in the USA, NOT the premier athletes.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:50 pm to udtiger
quote:That's 100% bullshite.
As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:52 pm to udtiger
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As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer.
Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country.
The USMNT is composed of the premier soccer players in the USA, NOT the premier athletes.
For fricks sake not this absurd talking point again...
Our national team are just as or even more athletic as everyone we play. Its about properly developing these players with coaching in the youth levels while ditching the pay to play model.
For what MLS lacks in technically quality is had great pace, physicality and athleticism.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:53 pm to apfour21
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What? The connection is that even the players who play in it are not taking seriously and know its a mediocre league. There is no way he is only one who cam back in their prime who thinks like this. Foreign players past their prime is irrelevant to what I am talking. You literally make my exact point from my thread in your final part of your post.
What is your main point, exactly?
You say players aren't taking it seriously but then give no evidence for that claim outside of Brek Shea.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:53 pm to udtiger
quote:
As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer. Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country. The USMNT is composed of the premier soccer players in the USA, NOT the premier athletes.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:53 pm to udtiger
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As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer
No
No
No
No
No
The US has plenty of athletic talent. The US had the better athletes against Argentina. I'm pretty comfortable in saying that. They just lack the technique and skill. That's not a lack of athleticism, but rather lack of the appropriate culture.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:57 pm to cwil177
quote:My main point is to quote you "the DP rule is helping to artificially inflate the prices of players like Bradley and Altidore, so that instead of toughing it out in Europe and continuing to improve they wind up with offers so good they can't turn them down, and subsequently their play for the national team suffers." Shea just straight up comes out and says it but the others don't have to. It is very clear by their play with the national team that they have a smilier approach about the MLS. But a player coming out and admitting that a league they play in doesn't take a lot of effort to play in is a big deal imo.
What is your main point, exactly?
You say players aren't taking it seriously but then give no evidence for that claim outside of Brek Shea.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:00 pm to udtiger
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As long as the US' best athletes are playing other sports, the USMNT will NEVER prevail in international soccer.
Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country.
The USMNT is composed of the premier soccer players in the USA, NOT the premier athletes.
You must be new here.
This has been refuted more times than I can count. You can't take Lebron, throw soccer shoes on him at age 3, say go and have a world class soccer team. It's our inability to develop world class talent here in the states that makes our athleticism negligible. I used to believe in the "we need our best athletes playing soccer" theory but then I started reading more books about the game of soccer and soccer here in the states. That manner of thinking would just lead to a team full of Eddie Johnsons, and no one wants that. Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:11 pm to 225bred
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That's bait
Sorry. Couldn't resist, althought...there is a nugget of truth there.
Absolutely, the overwhelming issue is development and coaching. US Soccer should lay out big coin and pluck some top end international coaches and go all in on an Academy system coupled with a revamp of MLS to include relegation.
Problem is...I don't see the US adopting a true Academy system.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:13 pm to udtiger
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Absolutely, the overwhelming issue is development and coaching. US Soccer should lay out big coin and pluck some top end international coaches and go all in on an Academy system coupled with a revamp of MLS to include relegation.
Problem is...I don't see the US adopting a true Academy system.
Or get our coaches properly coached like Iceland did
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:15 pm to udtiger
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Every other national team is chock full of the premier athletes of that country.
Yeah... If only we had athletic specimens like these playing soccer to take us to glory.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
heads should roll because Iceland could make so much progress and we just kinda barely roll forward.
I don't think we will ever see a true academy and youth system here because of the culture here.
I do think a true youth and academy system could really help bring in the poor kids and make them beast.
I don't think we will ever see a true academy and youth system here because of the culture here.
I do think a true youth and academy system could really help bring in the poor kids and make them beast.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:17 pm to apfour21
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My main point is to quote you "the DP rule is helping to artificially inflate the prices of players like Bradley and Altidore, so that instead of toughing it out in Europe and continuing to improve they wind up with offers so good they can't turn them down, and subsequently their play for the national team suffers." Shea just straight up comes out and says it but the others don't have to. It is very clear by their play with the national team that they have a smilier approach about the MLS. But a player coming out and admitting that a league they play in doesn't take a lot of effort to play in is a big deal imo.
We agree with some but not all of the key points. I don't think Bradley and Altidore are here to collect pay checks and not take it seriously like Shea. Shea is an exception, not the rule. That's why this makes us so incredulous.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:22 pm to cwil177
Bradley has gotten progressively worse in international competition. He might not be loafing like the pussy shea but the move has made him worse.
I think our lack of passion on the level of some countries makes it harder for change. Clearly places like Iceland are running circles around us in getting better. However, we don't have much of an out cry to flip the regime over and cause good change.
I think our lack of passion on the level of some countries makes it harder for change. Clearly places like Iceland are running circles around us in getting better. However, we don't have much of an out cry to flip the regime over and cause good change.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 5:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I think a huge problem with fans is the unrealistic expectations people have and want the MLS to become. We are used to having the best league in pretty much every sport with all the money and pick of the players. So seeing an American League so far down in the pecking order. Also doesn't help when the comish says we are going to be a top 5 league by 2022 or guys like Lalas saying its a top ten league doesn't help.
Honestly there is nothing wrong with the MLS quality being like the Brazilian or Argentina league. Good quality and the clubs and league making money on our home grown players going to Europe.
Unrealism and impatience are definitely factors here. I do believe, however, that the potential for MLS (for you jackwoods) is a top 5 league in the world. The market determines almost everything and the market for revenue and talent is quite massive in the US. As of right now, I would place MLS somewhere as high as 15 and as low as 20 in terms of quality. I think it is reasonable for MLS to attain the ranking of a top 10 league in ten years time from now and compete to become a top 5 league in 20 years time from now.
BTW, you are consistently receiving a down vote and it may appear to be coming from me because you are responding to me but I would like to tell you that it is in fact not coming from me.
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