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re: Suarez's Statement on yesterday Update on pg 5/13 planning to appeal suspension

Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:39 am to
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:39 am to
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Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:45 am to
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I'll defend him for that. That was bullshite and especially since it involved Evra.


Blame the victim of the racial abuse. That makes good sense. Just like it was Chiellini's fault for "crying about it" or "throwing his elbow." Unbelievable

This is the problem. People somehow finding ways to justify this guy's indefensible behavior.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 11:47 am
Posted by Loathor
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:47 am to
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Yea he bit his ear off... That is more than what Saurez did.

Plus that didn't just happen once. Tyson did it twice in the same match and didn't get disqualified until the 2nd bite. This is after Tyson had already been in trouble for a number of things including being in jail 3 years for rape.

Seriously how are you comparing the two?

I agree with biting being weird and all but this is not the worst thing ever like some are making it out to be. And yes he deserves around an 8 game international game ban.


I'm comparing the two because while Tyson's actions were more severe it also occurred in a sport that glorifies violence. Boxing is a brutal event where beating your opponent as close to death as possible is viewed as an accomplishment. But his biting Hollyfield is what Mike Tyson is going to be remembered for forever. Even more than the knockouts and all the matches where he physically mauled people.

If a biting indecent is so reprehensible in a sport where brutality is treasured, why do you think it should be tossed aside as trivial in a sport known for it's beauty and skill.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:50 am to
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Blame the victim of the racial abuse. That makes good sense. Just like it was Chiellini's fault for "crying about it" or "throwing his elbow." Unbelievable

This is the problem. People somehow finding ways to justify this guy's indefensible behavior.
For him saying "negrito"

Different cultures man. Lots of South Americans and Central Americans use that term to distinguish different skin colors and it's not considered offensive.

Hell, Costa Ricans call their Virgin Mary la Negrita
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:51 am to
Guys, if this guy can't see the difference in a punch and biting someone, you aren't going to convince him. Wasting time at this point.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:02 pm to


I kind of agree that the press went overboard about the last biting incident in terms of portraying Suarez as a sci-fi monster that had invaded a pensive afternoon tea amongst proper English gentleman.

Hilarious on message boards but a bit over the top from serious journalists.


However, the difference now --aside from it happening again after all the statements about his children etc -- was that Suarez and Liverpool both seemed to take a stance of being proactive and apologetic. Uruguay and Suarez have been anything but that.

That Suarez and Uruguayan representatives tried to downright deny it happened first and with increasing evidence making that path less tenable then downplayed it as no big deal at all adds a less savory dimension.


I think the same logic could be applied to a punch to the face on the pitch:
If the guy who does it, says he lost his head, apologizes to the guy he punched and his federation condemns the action profusely and suspends him proactively themselves, then rational people are a lot less likely to cry for huge punishments.


With the way this has played out, I'd personally think something along the lines of suspending Suarez for 8 or so matches but specifically the next 8 World Cup matches for which he is eligible --the platform where it happened-- would be most appropriate.


After that, it's up to UEFA and the FA if they feel like "biting" is serious enough an issue that they would add their own suspensions to send a message.


And this due to one major difference I see with biting in comparison with elbows, headbutts and other of soccer's more accepted arts: the transference of blood.

In that regard the same lobby that pushes things like players not being able to play with any blood on them etc will certainly be pushing for a strong message.








This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:06 pm to
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why do you think it should be tossed aside as trivial


I never said this, don't put words in my mouth. I said it is not as big of a deal as people here are making it out to be. I continue to say that he should be suspended. It is the people freaking out and saying he should be suspended for a year or more from his club, that I think are over reacting.

I also want to point out I only replied about the NBA and Tyson because it was brought up to me. I never wanted to compare the two.

I don't believe Tyson is remembered mainly for that bite at this point in history. And it never would have been a big deal at all if he didn't take off a piece of his ear and spit it on the ring. So I don't see how you can compare that.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:23 pm to
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I said it is not as big of a deal as people here are making it out to be.


Well you're wrong, it is arguably a MUCH bigger deal. This isn't the first time it's happened and the last time I checked, nobody has contracted a disease through a head butt or an elbow. Stop defending this.
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:29 pm to
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Well you're wrong, it is arguably a MUCH bigger deal. This isn't the first time it's happened and the last time I checked, nobody has contracted a disease through a head butt or an elbow. Stop defending this.


Wait, Saurez is disease ridden?

Much worse things have happened to people by being head butted or punched during a sporting event than being bit. That is a fact.

And that isn't even the point.
Posted by PhatCitysFinest
Member since May 2010
10 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:31 pm to
Sure biting can spread disease. Punching can knock someone out and kill them if they fall a certain way. I've literally seen it happen.

What Suarez did was disgusting, immature, repetative and inexcusable - that's the issue here bc those actions are those of a child not bc biting is violent. He should know better than to take out his frustration like that same as he know he shouldn't blind side punch someone.

When he bites he does it when the player isn't ready for it; if he decided to go for a head shot punch in those same situations instead then he could've done much worse and irreversible damage.

His biting is disgusting and inexcusable, and he should be punished and forced to wear a mouthpiece for life, but it isn't worse than throwing a punch at someone in expecting.

Ask any player if they'd rather a blindside bite on the arm, shoulder, neck, torso (places of another body that are near his mouth) or a blind punch to the side or back of their head (what's usually facing Suarez when he attacks) and I'm sure 100% would take the bite bc they know there's a chance that a punch could knock them out and cause further damage.
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:35 pm to
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Sure biting can spread disease. Punching can knock someone out and kill them if they fall a certain way. I've literally seen it happen.

What Suarez did was disgusting, immature, repetative and inexcusable - that's the issue here bc those actions are those of a child not bc biting is violent. He should know better than to take out his frustration like that same as he know he shouldn't blind side punch someone.

When he bites he does it when the player isn't ready for it; if he decided to go for a head shot punch in those same situations instead then he could've done much worse and irreversible damage.

His biting is disgusting and inexcusable, and he should be punished and forced to wear a mouthpiece for life, but it isn't worse than throwing a punch at someone in expecting.

Ask any player if they'd rather a blindside bite on the arm, shoulder, neck, torso (places of another body that are near his mouth) or a blind punch to the side or back of their head (what's usually facing Suarez when he attacks) and I'm sure 100% would take the bite bc they know there's a chance that a punch could knock them out and cause further damage.


Agreed.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125401 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:05 pm to
LINK

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Luis Suarez's lawyer believes there is a European vendetta against the Uruguay striker after he was embroiled in a new biting storm.

FIFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against Suarez after he appeared to bite Italy defender Giorgio Chiellini during Uruguay's 1-0 World Cup win on Tuesday.


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But his legal representative, Alejandro Balbi - also a Uruguay FA board member - went further in attempting to absolve the forward of blame and suggested a conspiracy was at play.

"We don't have any doubts that this has happened because it's Suarez and secondly because Italy was eliminated," Balbi said.

"There's a lot of pressure from England and Italy. We're polishing off a defence argument."


you cant make this shite up

Posted by Loathor
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:07 pm to
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Ask any player if they'd rather a blindside bite on the arm, shoulder, neck, torso (places of another body that are near his mouth) or a blind punch to the side or back of their head (what's usually facing Suarez when he attacks) and I'm sure 100% would take the bite bc they know there's a chance that a punch could knock them out and cause further damage.


I think it's more human nature to abhor biting as a defense mechanism. Its a degrading attack. You can respect a punch as an act of aggression. It's open and honest at least. A sucker punch is step below an open punch. It's a cowardly attack that usually lowers the opinion of the attacker. Biting is both cowardly and perplexing. "Is this person actually biting me!?!" It's almost too inane to comprehend.

I view biting as a step above spitting. I, personally, think spitting on someone is the most vile thing you can do. It's contemptible and the few times it has happened in my life I flipped my shite. It's just... euch...

It's not universal, though. Some people like to be bitten, given the right circumstances...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:13 pm to
Getting punched is infinitely more dangerous than getting spat on, but ask anyone which is more disrespectful and hateful and you will get spitting in a landslide.

Biting is right there with spitting as despicable things that you just don't do.
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
21393 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:22 pm to
I can't believe how BAD the Uruguayans are at PR.

These statements are just head in the sand laughable.

And I don't buy the "He just loses his cool and his head and can't control himself" arguments.

Yesterday he made sure to do it away from the ref and immediately after the act of biting he pretended that he was the one fouled.

If you lose your mind so badly that you BITE another player, I would assume you don't have the control to hide those actions and immediately act to mask those actions.

The whole situation reeks of bullshite. Especially these statements.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125401 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:28 pm to
Its downright delusional along with the people downplaying what happened.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
22278 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:32 pm to
On the contrary, the only people the Uruguayans need to appease are their own people... Luis Suarez is their favorite son and him on the field gives them the best chance to win the WC... And that is what the people want! They couldn't care less what other people think about them..

I'm sure deep down and behind closed doors they are not happy...

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125401 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:37 pm to
This is a farce and a fricking joke that they actually came out and said this

Its never his fault thats seems to be the common theme with Suarez.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7798 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:40 pm to
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Its downright delusional along with the people downplaying what happened.


As I wrote in my post above, the reactions from Suarez, Uruguayan players, manager and officials after the fact have been much worse than the bite itself.

When it happened at Liverpool, I recall Suarez and the club being fairly apologetic and proactive. At least I recall Suarez's "heartfelt" emo apology in which he feels so bad thinking about his children etc etc. . .

Now the message is slightly different.


If I were a member of the FIFA committee, I'd only suspend Suarez for 10 or so matches but specifically the next 10 World Cup matches for which he is eligible and I would cite the resistance of Uruguay's officials to be anything but deflective as a contributing factor.



Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:40 pm to
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Biting is right there with spitting as despicable things that you just don't do.


Suarez should be suspended for a year after this incident. Just because he is a great player doesn't mean he shouldn't face a long ban. Dude is a disgrace to the sport.
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