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re: OFFICIAL Liverpool FC 2015-2016 Season Long Thread: Basel Bound!
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
ESPN Alert:
Jurgen Klopp agrees in principle to become new manager, to sign three-year deal later on Thursday - sources.
Jurgen Klopp agrees in principle to become new manager, to sign three-year deal later on Thursday - sources.
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:46 am to STLhog
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It's NEVER done until there is a Melwood lean.
Klopp is going to do away with the lean. There'll be a new photo pose, called "Klopping", in which all new signings have beer dumped on their heads:
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:03 am to SetTheMood
A press conference has been scheduled at 10am English time tomorrow for a "major club announcement".
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:13 am to pvilleguru
Heading to Melwood like...
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:20 am to STLhog
McCallister and Odriscall also out.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:25 am to STLhog
Damn. Sucks for them
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:27 am to STLhog
I know we are all ecstatic about the hire and really the signal FSG are sending about their intent - but there is an element of risk here. Was his system figured out? Can it make it through the extra games and no winter break of the English season?
The one thing I do like is that even with all the injuries in his last year at Dortmund, he figured out a way to make it work and they shot up the table. Brendan seemed to have a harder time as time went on adjusting to what was figured out. His answers were questions themselves as he didn't believe anymore. Klopp will impart a ton of belief and confidence that is completely lacking in our squad.
And as I read one pundit put it - he won't have to speak about character because it will be obvious that we have it.
The one thing I do like is that even with all the injuries in his last year at Dortmund, he figured out a way to make it work and they shot up the table. Brendan seemed to have a harder time as time went on adjusting to what was figured out. His answers were questions themselves as he didn't believe anymore. Klopp will impart a ton of belief and confidence that is completely lacking in our squad.
And as I read one pundit put it - he won't have to speak about character because it will be obvious that we have it.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:37 am to Tigerstark
There is always an element of risk. But that is with any hire. I take comfort in knowing in that he did turn things around for BVB, and finished strong. I also take solace in knowing he is bringing a good staff with him, in particular Zeljko Buvac - Klopp's Peter Taylor.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:43 am to Tigerstark
Always risk.
Look where Chelsea is right now.
Klopp is young. Still hasn't won the UCL but proved he can make it all the way there with freaking Dortmund. I realize they have had some success in the past, but for him to do it in the modern era is pretty incredible.
I think it's more impressive than Rafa's run. Things were starting to get crazy in 2005, but not they way they have gotten in recent years.
He will do well here. Very well. He'll have more money to spend than he's ever had.
Look where Chelsea is right now.
Klopp is young. Still hasn't won the UCL but proved he can make it all the way there with freaking Dortmund. I realize they have had some success in the past, but for him to do it in the modern era is pretty incredible.
I think it's more impressive than Rafa's run. Things were starting to get crazy in 2005, but not they way they have gotten in recent years.
He will do well here. Very well. He'll have more money to spend than he's ever had.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:46 am to Tigerstark
I'm sure everyone already knows this but, a typical Klopp team:
Extremely efficient and exhaustive counter pressing - a Klopp team in full motion will press you until your ears bleed and they will be ready to counter as soon as the ball is won. It's fun as hell to watch, but you definitely need players with high fitness levels.
Beautiful counter attacks - one thing Klopp does is empower his attackers to go for the throat on counters. It's where Kagawa, Reus, Lewa, Kuba, Perisic, etc. all looked their best. A Klopp team is relentless in counter attacking.
He will bring out the best in your center mids - most professionals are professionals for a reason, because they're good as frick. In Klopp's system, the guys are encouraged to play off of instinct due to the fact that they're constantly winning the ball back in attacking positions. Gundogan, Sahin, Kagawa all looked their best under Klopp because they were allowed to let it rip and just make plays.
Your center backs will be put to the test - even though Hummels is considered a great center back, he's had his ups and downs and that's because there's an extreme amount of pressure put on this position with the center mids and fullbacks both providing high pressure farther up the field. You'll need good center backs who are also intelligent. Judas Subotic has fallen out of favor with Dortmund, could possibly see him back with Klopp.
He's extremely loyal, maybe to a fault. His last year in charge Roman Weidenfeller was a dumpster fire but he was too hesitant to make a change. It's one of the first things Tuchel did.
Klopp isn't on the level with Tuchel and Pep with tactics but he's no dummy in that regard. One thing is sure, the players will run through a brick wall for him so be prepared to see a more inspired Liverpool than you've seen in a while. The guys who loaf about probably won't last.
I'd be worried about your center backs and his transfer decisions. He and Watzke made decisions together on transfers and his last offseason there, they made some pretty bad calls on the players they brought in but they also hit homeruns -
Gundogan and Lewandowski were probably the biggest hits, he got Lewa from Lech Poznan in Poland and allowed one of the club's best strikers in recent memory, Lucas Barrios to leave and that's when Lewa took off. Gundogan was a guy only real followers of the Bundesliga were aware of, an attacking mid from FC Nürnberg, joined BVB at like 19 or 20 and was dropped into more of a box to box midfielder and he just took off, making everyone forget about Nuri Sahin.
Extremely efficient and exhaustive counter pressing - a Klopp team in full motion will press you until your ears bleed and they will be ready to counter as soon as the ball is won. It's fun as hell to watch, but you definitely need players with high fitness levels.
Beautiful counter attacks - one thing Klopp does is empower his attackers to go for the throat on counters. It's where Kagawa, Reus, Lewa, Kuba, Perisic, etc. all looked their best. A Klopp team is relentless in counter attacking.
He will bring out the best in your center mids - most professionals are professionals for a reason, because they're good as frick. In Klopp's system, the guys are encouraged to play off of instinct due to the fact that they're constantly winning the ball back in attacking positions. Gundogan, Sahin, Kagawa all looked their best under Klopp because they were allowed to let it rip and just make plays.
Your center backs will be put to the test - even though Hummels is considered a great center back, he's had his ups and downs and that's because there's an extreme amount of pressure put on this position with the center mids and fullbacks both providing high pressure farther up the field. You'll need good center backs who are also intelligent. Judas Subotic has fallen out of favor with Dortmund, could possibly see him back with Klopp.
He's extremely loyal, maybe to a fault. His last year in charge Roman Weidenfeller was a dumpster fire but he was too hesitant to make a change. It's one of the first things Tuchel did.
Klopp isn't on the level with Tuchel and Pep with tactics but he's no dummy in that regard. One thing is sure, the players will run through a brick wall for him so be prepared to see a more inspired Liverpool than you've seen in a while. The guys who loaf about probably won't last.
I'd be worried about your center backs and his transfer decisions. He and Watzke made decisions together on transfers and his last offseason there, they made some pretty bad calls on the players they brought in but they also hit homeruns -
Gundogan and Lewandowski were probably the biggest hits, he got Lewa from Lech Poznan in Poland and allowed one of the club's best strikers in recent memory, Lucas Barrios to leave and that's when Lewa took off. Gundogan was a guy only real followers of the Bundesliga were aware of, an attacking mid from FC Nürnberg, joined BVB at like 19 or 20 and was dropped into more of a box to box midfielder and he just took off, making everyone forget about Nuri Sahin.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:58 am to hendersonshands
Quality post! 
And now my concerns...
One thing similar to what Rodgers employs is a high backline. Much much to our detriment. When teams park the airplane in front of goal, we struggled to find anything in the final third to exploit. These are things that Klopp also seemed to struggle with last year.
Rodgers also had this philosophy early on of immediately attacking once they lose possession. I guess the difference here is that Klopp is happy to relinquish possession for counter attacking football. The "Gengenpressing" we have read so much about.
Fitness will also be an issue. In Germany there is a nice winter break. In England, winter is where the intensity gets ramped up. Players playing an absurd amount of games in a short period of time. And then there are 2 domestic cups to consider, whereas Germany only has the one, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Klopp will definitely need to bring in fresh players in January. Particularly at CB, and CDM.
And now my concerns...
One thing similar to what Rodgers employs is a high backline. Much much to our detriment. When teams park the airplane in front of goal, we struggled to find anything in the final third to exploit. These are things that Klopp also seemed to struggle with last year.
Rodgers also had this philosophy early on of immediately attacking once they lose possession. I guess the difference here is that Klopp is happy to relinquish possession for counter attacking football. The "Gengenpressing" we have read so much about.
Fitness will also be an issue. In Germany there is a nice winter break. In England, winter is where the intensity gets ramped up. Players playing an absurd amount of games in a short period of time. And then there are 2 domestic cups to consider, whereas Germany only has the one, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Klopp will definitely need to bring in fresh players in January. Particularly at CB, and CDM.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:05 am to Meursault
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One thing similar to what Rodgers employs is a high backline. Much much to our detriment. When teams park the airplane in front of goal, we struggled to find anything in the final third to exploit. These are things that Klopp also seemed to struggle with last year.
Yeah, that's one concern for sure. That's kind of when you expect your best players to make plays.
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Rodgers also had this philosophy early on of immediately attacking once they lose possession. I guess the difference here is that Klopp is happy to relinquish possession for counter attacking football. The "Gengenpressing" we have read so much about.
Right, but it's one of the best things about counter pressing is that it means when you're pressing high, you're also putting yourself into a position to attack as soon as the ball is won. So you're not just winning the ball and going off alone, you have someone in an attacking spot to play it off to who then can launch the counter. It really gets overwhelming for most teams, especially those who aren't good enough to keep the ball.
It got difficult because every team in Germany can counter, it's crazy really. So when Klopp's teams got stretched during the attack, whomever they were playing was very adept at hitting back on the counter. I don't think there are many English teams that can counter like a German team, which may help Klopp here.
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Fitness will also be an issue. In Germany there is a nice winter break. In England, winter is where the intensity gets ramped up. Players playing an absurd amount of games in a short period of time. And then there are 2 domestic cups to consider, whereas Germany only has the one, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yep, the Premier League needs to look at a Winter Break but this is part of the reason why Klopp plays so many young guys. Their legs aren't as heavy.
Yeah there's just the Pokal in Germany.
I wonder if Dortmund would allow Sven Bender to leave after seeing how good Julian Weigl is. I'd think either Gundogan or Bender would have to leave eventually and I'd rather keep Gundogan if I were Dortmund.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:18 am to hendersonshands
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the Premier League needs to look at a Winter Break
I wish they did. It would benefit everyone.
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Yeah there's just the Pokal in Germany.
I also wish they would the FA would scrap the League Cup, and make the FA Cup the Europa qualifier.
Another question I have is how much of Klopp's success at BVB do you attribute to having Lewandowski? It seems he was there for all of the major accolades, and the offensive production went to utter shite once he left. Same exact problem we had with Suarez. Can he have the same success without a Lewandowski/Suarez?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:28 am to Meursault
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Lewandowski/Suarez?
We have a Benteke and a Sturridge.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:28 am to Meursault
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Another question I have is how much of Klopp's success at BVB do you attribute to having Lewandowski? It seems he was there for all of the major accolades, and the offensive production went to utter shite once he left. Same exact problem we had with Suarez. Can he have the same success without a Lewandowski/Suarez?
Well I definitely think Lewa was a big reason they were so successful but I do think Liverpool has good enough forwards. I like Benteke and the idea of Daniel Sturridge.
Part of the reason, I think, they went to shite is because they didn't replace great players with more great players. Immobile and Ramos were pretty much duds and that's who they had their trust in.
Klopp also couldn't really figure out how to use Mikky, who to quote my boy Tweezy is the shittiest good player of all time, and Obamayang properly. Tuchel has gotten a lot more out of them so far.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:35 am to STLhog
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We have a Benteke and a Sturridge.
Neither are on Suarez & Lewandoski's level. I love tekkers, and Studge is a great great player when healthy. But fitness always be an issue with him.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:38 am to Meursault
Klopp just landed at the airport in Liverpool.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:40 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:43 am to Meursault
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Suarez & Lewandoski's level
Well yea. Hard to be on top 3-4 in the world level.
But they're both pretty damn good.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 12:19 pm to hendersonshands
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Beautiful counter attacks - one thing Klopp does is empower his attackers to go for the throat on counters. It's where Kagawa, Reus, Lewa, Kuba, Perisic, etc. all looked their best. A Klopp team is relentless in counter attacking.
Lazar Markovic seems tailor made for Klopp squad...
Come back in from the cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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