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re: Man City's "out of control spending" is a myth

Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:25 am to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:25 am to
You keep trying to include the numbers from when they were first bought, which is outside of the point for this thread. Nobody is denying that they spent a ton in those early years. You have even said you have no problem with a large initial spend.

The point is their spending has dropped back down to match the levels of the other two power clubs in England, which goes against the narrative that some push which claims they are still spending at an "out of control" rate. They simply aren't doing that anymore.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:25 am to
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How about this table since 2003, when transfer fees started to really go up. This four years before the take over.


Chelsea £924,009,000

Manchester City £795,920,000

Manchester United £593,450,000

Liverpool £608,180,000

200 million more than United almost 200 more than Liverpool.


Do you guys think we'll ultimately start to see team transfer amounts dwindle down with the new fad of loaning before buying on big money players? (I.E. Falcao, Negredo)
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:25 am to
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I agree.

A team full of guys making over 150K-200k a week

Do we pay crazy wages, Yea Rooney and RVP and now Falcao are on stupid per week. That will drop back down soon and level off.



Aren't Yaya and Silva both on 250k/week?
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:26 am to
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Aren't Yaya and Silva both on 250k/week?


Yaya's is 200/k a week and Silva's is 140/k (Sterling wants more than David Silva, what a joke)

Aguero is the highest at 220/k
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 11:27 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:28 am to
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The point is their spending has dropped back down to match the levels of the other two power clubs in England, which goes against the narrative that some push which claims they are still spending at an "out of control" rate. They simply aren't doing that anymore.



Their spending dropped back bc of a FFP fine, what do you not get here.
Posted by Oizers
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:28 am to
The net spending number will look better once the Negredo transfer is finalized when the loan ends.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:29 am to
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Do you guys think we'll ultimately start to see team transfer amounts dwindle down with the new fad of loaning before buying on big money players?


Issue is the wages City pays no one is going to match that when buying a player off them.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:30 am to
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You know how I know you are a supporter of a club in the shadow of their noisy neighbor?



yea 4 trophies all while spend almost a billion pounds sure puts us in your shadow
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:31 am to
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Their spending dropped back bc of a FFP fine, what do you not get here.


One summer window doesn't completely throw off a 5 year table.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 11:33 am to
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One summer window doesn't completely throw off a 5 year table.



This last window sure does level it out, due to United going on a spending spree they never have and City not being able to spend like they want to.

United before had never spent more than 67 million in a year. Just over what City was told they couldn't netspend will being on restrictions.

If United keep spending like gangbusters the next few years you would have a point.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 11:35 am
Posted by Downtown Devin Brown
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:49 pm to
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Man City's "out of control spending" is a myth


This is a false statement in itself. Even if another team matches your spending, that doesn't justify it as healthy spending. More than 1 team can have "out of control spending."
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 1:57 pm to
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This is a false statement in itself. Even if another team matches your spending, that doesn't justify it as healthy spending. More than 1 team can have "out of control spending."



thats a great point

also if you look at the top 4 spending clubs 3 make a profit while city operate taking huge losses.

United make profit every year even with the debt thrown on the club by the owners.

Liverpool a few years ago where hours with in admin and are now turning a profit.

City are way outspending the revenue they bring in.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:00 pm to
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Liverpool a few years ago where hours with in admin and are not turning a profit.


We actually just turned a profit for the first time since the admin scare. Takes awhile to rebuild the destruction G&H created.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:00 pm to
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This is a false statement in itself. Even if another team matches your spending, that doesn't justify it as healthy spending. More than 1 team can have "out of control spending."



Couldn't agree more. This was exactly my argument in the thread last week about clubs that spend a lot.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:01 pm to
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We actually just turned a profit for the first time since the admin scare. Takes awhile to rebuild the destruction G&H created.



yea i meant to say now, not not
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:03 pm to
No worries. I figured that was the case but I wanted to post that just in case DS didn't know.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:04 pm to
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Couldn't agree more. This was exactly my argument in the thread last week about clubs that spend a lot.



DS is shifting the goal post to try and make his stance against FFP look like a just cause.

This time by picking the last 5 years. When clearly City could not spend as they pleased this last year and when United went on a City type spending spree for the first time ever.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125394 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:05 pm to
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I wanted to post that just in case DS didn't know.



he doesn't know much
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:05 pm to
I understand why City's "out of control spending" irks some people, but I always compare it to Jerry Jones with the Cowboys.

People have been saying Jerry shouldn't be the GM for the Boys for years now, but I know if I owned the team I would 100 percent want a direct hand in who I sign because I'm the one writing them the check.

If I was some rich sheikh and had literally endless income and bought a soccer team I would do the exact same thing, spend whatever amount it took to compete for championships without regard to what I'm spending, because I have an endless amount. It would be my money and I'd be sure to get the players I want, regardless of cost.

It doesn't matter if City is in the red, to Mansour at least. He isn't in this thing to make a fortune. He has that already and is doing whatever he thinks he needs to do to be competitive.

Regardless of if it looks dumb as shite to us, it's his money and he can spend it (under FFP of course) however he pleases.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125394 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 2:08 pm to
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I understand why City's "out of control spending" irks some people, but I always compare it to Jerry Jones with the Cowboys.



Jerry still operates with in a salary cap and the cowboys brand is a billion dollar + brand

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If I was some rich sheikh and had literally endless income and bought a soccer team I would do the exact same thing, spend whatever amount it took to compete for championships without regard to what I'm spending, because I have an endless amount.

It doesn't matter if City is in the red, to Mansour at least. He isn't in this thing to make money. He has plenty of that already and is doing whatever he thinks he needs to do to be competitive.


What happens when he get tired of not seeing any real return on his investment. Those big time buys will stop.

quote:

Regardless of if it looks dumb as shite to us, it's his money and he can spend it (under FFP of course) however he pleases.



Yea then one day he doesn't like to spend and the club is frickkeddddddd. Like admin fricked
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