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re: Louis van Gaal the "Tactical Genius"
Posted on 12/12/15 at 7:45 pm to PTBob
Posted on 12/12/15 at 7:45 pm to PTBob
I always just reply to the last post in the thread... And my iPad butchered that first post 
I actually fear that you guys cut bait and hire Carlo... I think he's a fantastic manger and is very likable... But I'm very happy with who we've got and hope he's here for a very long time.
I actually fear that you guys cut bait and hire Carlo... I think he's a fantastic manger and is very likable... But I'm very happy with who we've got and hope he's here for a very long time.
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 7:47 pm to PTBob
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His resume crushes Wenger and it's not close.
Again look at the teams he managed. I love Arsene because he has been loyal as frick, but you don't think his resume would look a little better if he took that offer to manage RM when they had Zidane and Beckham?
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One thing is for sure. Manchester United will be a better side in the future for having LvG manage here. Giving lots of youth their debuts and experience and instilling a foundation for the club to return to the winning ways.
Can easily say the same thing about Arsene, while actually having to manage finances and getting out of their CL group.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 7:59 pm to RTR America
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Can easily say the same thing about Arsene, while actually having to manage finances and getting out of their CL group.
Except i have actual proof. Everywhere LvG has managed: Ajax, Bayern, Barcelona have went on to be extremely succesful after LvG's tenure. Largely in part to the foundation he set and youth he promoted while was at those clubs.
There are a few good articles about "the LvG effect". You should google it.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 8:06 pm to PTBob
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Except i have actual proof.
I do too. Arsenal's financial standing after building the Emirates.
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Bayern, Barcelona have went on to be extremely succesful after LvG's tenure
Bayern and Barca were extremely successful
Posted on 12/12/15 at 8:16 pm to RTR America
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Arsenal's financial standing after building the Emirates.
that shite fricking gets me every time. you arsenal fans really get off on that yet complain every transfer window about not spending money.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 8:17 pm to PTBob
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you arsenal fans really get off on that yet complain every transfer window about not spending money.
Almost as if the times have changed and that we can spend now instead of sell
Posted on 12/12/15 at 9:38 pm to RTR America
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but you don't think his resume would look a little better if he took that offer to manage RM when they had Zidane and Beckham?
But he didn't. You can't discount that. shite managers can make even great teams look bad. If you give Arsene credit for staying at Arsenal then you have to give LVG credit for broadening his horizons and being successful virtually everywhere he has been.
I am by no means saying Arsene is chopped liver. I think he's a damn good manager. I even said it before, the top 4 managers IMO are a pick 'em. Arguments can be made for all four guys.
For frick's sake, I'm defending a united manager. WHAT THE frick
Posted on 12/12/15 at 9:45 pm to Srbtiger06
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shite managers can make even great teams look bad.
And some can do the opposite. Go look at some the lineups Arsenal had to throw out there during the years they were building the stadium. It wasn't pretty, but they still managed to make the top 4 every year and to get out of the group every year..
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:50 pm to Srbtiger06
I'm not going to blame last nights match on him
We have like 11 players out with injuries and basically played a side of U-23's other than Afroman, Blind, DDG and Mata.
We have like 11 players out with injuries and basically played a side of U-23's other than Afroman, Blind, DDG and Mata.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:30 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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We have like 11 players out with injuries
and?
Clichy has hardly played at all.
Zabaleta has missed a TON of games and still isn't playing regularly.
Kompany has missed significant time.
Fernando missed time.
Delph (who has looked really good when he has played) has missed a ton.
Nasri has missed a ton.
Silva was out half of our EPL and UCL matches.
Aguero has missed as many games as Silva.
City hasn't played their ideal top 4 (Kun, Sterling, KDB Silva) much at all. They haven't been able to play their best XI in many, if any, games this season. Despite that we have scored the most goals and have the best differential in the league. At the absolute WORST, we're 3 points back for the league lead after Monday.
Injuries happen. Sucks for both Manchester clubs but it is what it is.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:34 pm to Srbtiger06
We are stuck having to playing youth teamers
some of the guys you listed are getting pushed out the side anyway
some of the guys you listed are getting pushed out the side anyway
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:36 pm to RTR America
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And some can do the opposite. Go look at some the lineups Arsenal had to throw out there during the years they were building the stadium. It wasn't pretty, but they still managed to make the top 4 every year and to get out of the group every year..
Moyes did well at Everton and shite the bed when he could spend ungodly amounts of money.
I get it, Arsene could do good things with a big budget like the Manc clubs and Chelsea have. He's done well at Arsenal. At the same time you can't say, "well he has been good without a large budget!" and then discount LVG for the teams he has had. BOTH are good managers in their own right.
Again, I'm not saying Arsene is crap. I'm just saying the argument to put him over LVG is based on lots of hypotheticals. Arsene has done well with what he has had. LVG has done well with what he has had.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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some of the guys you listed are getting pushed out the side anyway
Who? Nasri?
He's a thundercount of the highest degree but there's no denying his value. When healthy and on his game he's a guaranteed starter on most teams in the league. For City he can be a fricking amazing super sub. He can have an impact on both wings and as a CAM.
The only other one is Clichy and he fits Pellegrini's system well. I love Kolarov but pairing him with Sterling is dangerous. GREAT attacking potential but an absolute wreck when defending.
Other than that I have no idea who is being pushed to the side.
We'll likely look for a Zaba replacement in the next year or two but he's still great for us.
Kompany will be here a while.
Fernando will stay.
Delph looks like a steal when he plays.
I've mentioned Nasri.
Silva and Aguero are as far from "pushed to the side" as you can get.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 12/13/15 at 12:07 am to Srbtiger06
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Sucks for both Manchester clubs but it is what it is.
Like y'all are the only one's dealing with injuries
Posted on 12/13/15 at 12:10 am to Srbtiger06
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Moyes did well at Everton and shite the bed when he could spend ungodly amounts of money.
Definitely comparable....
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At the same time you can't say, "well he has been good without a large budget!"
Seems like a perfectly reasonable caveat.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:03 am to RTR America
While LVG is losing to The Cherries Chicharito is getting a hat trick against Gladbach.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 8:38 am to Srbtiger06
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I even said it before, the top 4 managers IMO are a pick 'em. Arguments can be made for all four guys.
Sorry... but you have to put Klopp in that conversation, as well... Given his CV, before he ever set foot in the league...
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:23 pm to TFTC
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:15 am to RTR America
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Arsene with LVG and Pellegrini's teams and blank checkbooks... He would absolutely kill.
I love how this is assumed...
But can we really just assume he would kill it other places or even at arsenal with a bigger check book?
its not like this arsenal team is untalented. Plus, we have seen coaches excel with lesser talent or a lessor gigs to go on to fail when moved.
His last 12 years have been pretty unspectacular even though he has easily been top 4 in talent
Edit: not that I am saying he is a bad manager, he does an excellent job at arsenal. But just saying that assumption is just pure speculation
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:23 am to petar
Easily top four in talent? The fact that some of those 2007-2010 teams made the top four, especially when injuries are factored in, is kind of astonishing. Quite a stretch to say that those teams were easily top four in talent. You may not watch as much Arsenal as a Man U fan, so it can be forgiven. Crazy4lsu can give a better run down than I can, but if anything Arsene proved his worth as a coach in making bargain basket buys and turning small investments into sustained success, despite a nonexistent transfer kitty in the wake of building the new stadium.
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