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re: Louis van Gaal the "Tactical Genius"
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:15 am to FunkasaurusReb
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:15 am to FunkasaurusReb
I don't think anyone doubts that LvG is a great manager with the track record to prove it, but he isn't flawless and you just have to look at the way he went out at his last club...
I'm sure he'll have you guys competing for the top (4) of the league while he's here, given your financial strength anyone would be foolish to think otherwise...
But excuse some of us if we don't bow down and concede to him before he's managed a single match... Other than 'Arry, I can't think of a club whose manager is on that list above, that would rather have him... JMO
I'm sure he'll have you guys competing for the top (4) of the league while he's here, given your financial strength anyone would be foolish to think otherwise...
But excuse some of us if we don't bow down and concede to him before he's managed a single match... Other than 'Arry, I can't think of a club whose manager is on that list above, that would rather have him... JMO
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:18 am to theOG
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yes, because you make the same tactical decisions in a semi-final of the world cup as you do in a BPL game in October.
I would hope that in both cases, you play to win the game. Didn't look like he was playing to win the game yesterday.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:22 am to Xenophon
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What, exactly did you think was great about it?
It was a great match from a tactical standpoint. The Dutch sacrificed their attack because they feared Messi too much. We all knew that Argentina would be more defensive in this game in, but they managed to get some good shots on goal. Just because it ended in a scoreless draw doesn't mean it wasn't entertaining.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:24 am to TFTC
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excuse some of us if we don't bow down and concede to him before he's managed a single match
I don't think anyone has suggested that... Only it is foolish to discredit the man who is a proven winner. All we want is to be fighting for a title and a CL spot and cup trophies. I wouldn't expect you to concede the title if Sir Alex came back.
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you just have to look at the way he went out at his last club
Of course he is controversial but he is also very respected. Sure beats the last guy we had. But we really don't care as sir alex had his fair share of controversy as well.
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Other than 'Arry, I can't think of a club whose manager is on that list above, that would rather have him
I would say Everton and City certainly would. Of course, Arsenal wouldn't want him as Wenger has been there forever. Same with Chelsea as they got the special one. I doubt liverpool would want to change the ship at this point. But if a random club had to choose a manager out of all of them, you could make the argument that Van Gaal (along with a couple of others) would be the choice
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:26 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I think people are overly down on this Argentina team by the way. They are excellent defensively and have some of the greatest attacking talent on the planet in Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Lavezzi, and Di Maria. They are built around the idea that they can hold opposing teams at bay while giving enough going forward for one of these guys to break through.
I think if they get their tactics right they can get at this German backline and cause a few problems. And they will make it hard for Germany offensively. So, I think to say that LVG committed an epic fail because the Dutch didn't run over Argentina is not entirely right either.
Some people just think the game can only be great if you score 5 goals in 11 minutes.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:26 am to TFTC
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I'd def remove Redknapp from that list...
That list should be Jose and The professor thats it.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:28 am to Patrick_Bateman
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I would hope that in both cases, you play to win the game. Didn't look like he was playing to win the game yesterday.
I disagree. Why not sit back and protect the goal? you have Robben and RvP along with other great offensive talent. don't concede and certainly they will toe poke one in at some point. It has worked along the way; they have won ever match at the world cup prior. why change it?
It might be conservative but to say it was not a winning strategy is biased or ignorant.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:28 am to TFTC
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but he isn't flawless and you just have to look at the way he went out at his last club...
getting them to a UCL final
he left b/c him and Bayern didn't get along period.
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But excuse some of us if we don't bow down and concede to him before he's managed a single match... Other than 'Arry, I can't think of a club whose manager is on that list above, that would rather have him... JMO
o please you probably think BR is better
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:28 am to TFTC
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But excuse some of us if we don't bow down and concede to him before he's managed a single match
I don't think anyone expects you Liverpool and Chelsea fans to pay fealty to LVG. I just think for reasons I laid out in posts above that mocking him as a "Tactical Genius" based on this one game is unfair.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:29 am to petar
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I would say Everton and City certainly would
no.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:29 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I don't think anyone expects you Liverpool and Chelsea fans to pay fealty to LVG. I just think for reasons I laid out in posts above that mocking him as a "Tactical Genius" based on this one game is unfair.
agree 100%.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:34 am to theOG
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no.
I do have to figure City fans are happy with their manager at the momentPosted on 7/10/14 at 10:35 am to petar
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petar
No doubt... I think most are just having fun with the LvG "genius" status.. a bit of banter with SCH sucking him off all the time..
He def beats Moyes, but I see what the club was trying to do with the Moyes hire... They didn't want a short term hire with the likes of a LvG at the time, but after that disaster, someone like him is needed to right the ship, but I think the same consideration (moyes type) will be given when he leaves after a couple of years..
I don't think its dissimilar to what LFC tried to do with BR... We tried to hire LvG, but as director not manager..
I'm not so sure those two clubs would switch... Pelligrini just won the league and also has a good track record (maybe they would) and Martinez is very popular on Merseyside..
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:35 am to theOG
I disagree. I think if both would have been available prior to last season the choice would have been LvG. He has a better record, won more trophies. I think he has dealt better with the bigger clubs as well, but that is my opinion.
Certainly can see the argument for the other side but i think the choice would have been LvG
Certainly can see the argument for the other side but i think the choice would have been LvG
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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o please you probably think BR is better
We could've hired him as Director of Football, not as Manager... He didn't come because we hired BR and he wanted his own guy... BR has worked well and yes, I'd rather move forward with him than bring in LvG... I like the direction were heading in..
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:39 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I do have to figure City fans are happy with their manager at the moment
he's 1/1.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:39 am to petar
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I think if both would have been available prior to last season the choice would have been LvG
Maybe in that scenario (Man City), I'm talking today...
But some clubs want to go the young manager route and build that way...
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:42 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I just think for reasons I laid out in posts above that mocking him as a "Tactical Genius" based on this one game is unfair.
It's just banter.. counter to all the talk of him being one... He's a fine manager and I'm sure he'll have you competing again next season..
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:42 am to TFTC
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He def beats Moyes, but I see what the club was trying to do with the Moyes hire... They didn't want a short term hire with the likes of a LvG at the time, but after that disaster, someone like him is needed to right the ship, but I think they same consideration (moyes type) will be given when he leaves after a couple of years..
Of course, I think its just a stopgap/ fix this shite until giggs proves himself, or Martinez gets a little more seasoned, etc. depending on how long he stays.
Yea i guess i should have clarified on City. I doubt they would change at this point either. You don't fire a guy after a great season. Same with liverpool.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:46 am to petar
quote:I think they were fairly lucky to escape with a win vs. Mexico, and they were only able to do so after a change in that conservative strategy. They were able to get 2 goals in the last 5 minutes, so I guess technically it "worked." The strategy was only successful vs. Costa Rica insomuch as they won the shootout; they could've just as easily lost. And there's no way in hell that a team with their attacking abilities should not score a single goal vs. Costa Rica or Argentina.
It has worked along the way; they have won ever match at the world cup prior. why change it?
Not to mention, it was boring.
quote:Well, it was not a winning strategy yesterday. And as far as I'm concerned, it was not a winning strategy vs. Costa Rica.
It might be conservative but to say it was not a winning strategy is biased or ignorant.
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