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re: Kompany says it
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:01 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't take quite the same view as SFP, I get the communal importance and respect it. But again clubs don't go away. At worst they get relegated. That's not a good enough reason to put in such.....pardon this......draconian sanctions on player investments.
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Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I think that's a pretty severe penalty for the owner.
And an even harsher penalty for the fans. Look, I guess I understand if you really can't draw yourself out of the American sports culture, but the majority of English fans are terrified of foreign ownership because of that very possibility. To them, administration is a death sentence. It would be exactly like what happened to SMU. Would you begrudge SMU fans from getting angry about that situation?
There is absolutely no concern for the club itself. It's used like a cheap whore then thrown out on the street after these billionaires decide to move on to other play things.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:08 am to BleedPurpleGold
you say this as a fan of a super big club
you think a middlesbrough fan wouldn't change owners with many city in a heart beat? c'mon
you think a middlesbrough fan wouldn't change owners with many city in a heart beat? c'mon
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you're telling me it would have absolutely no emotional effect on you if Newcastle was relegated to Conference North? For many people in England that would be almost the exact same thing.
It has an emotional effect but the weak point of "protecting the fans" argument is that the overwhelming majority would take buying Batistuta and winning a Scudetto even if the agreement was being relegated to lowest division the next season.
Roma fans would keep going, singing and shooting off flares if the club played the TD soccer board all-stars every Sunday, bragging about that Scudetto as well.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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i would have an emotional effect if krogers went bankrupt and the store by my house closed and i had to drive 4 more minutes to get to a grocery store. your point really has no merit
You're such a typical American. Talk to someone from outside of this country before you resort to your ridiculous sarcasm. Sports culture is not the same the world over. Its not all about commercials, goofy arse hoakie mascots, and tee shirt cannons. Win at all costs is not the bottom line and history and tradition are the most important thing I club can possess in England.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:10 am to BleedPurpleGold
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if you really can't draw yourself out of the American sports culture
I get it, I really do. I don't look at clubs as the same as American franchises at all. But clubs just aren't going away because of financial mismanagement. If they were I could see your point.
Even your SMU example doesn't hold water for me because now FFP is a barrier to a Leeds making it back to what they were!
I also just happen to have the crazy idea that people should be allowed to do what they want with their own money. Radical, I know
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:12 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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you think a middlesbrough fan wouldn't change owners with many city in a heart beat? c'mon
Nah they would be too scared the Shiek would put them into administration
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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you say this as a fan of a super big club
I was a fan of this club when we were hours from administration. I would've given up Gillette and Hicks in a heartbeat at that moment. I would've traded every top 4 finish during their tenure to ensure we weren't relegated from the Premiere League.
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you think a middlesbrough fan wouldn't change owners with many city in a heart beat? c'mon
Of course they would. But they wouldn't if entailed the level of mismanagement seen at City.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:14 am to wm72
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Romahad some lean years recently due to Sensi going bankrupt but he's a hero to the fans for buying us Batistuta and winning a scudetto. Parma were never really a huge club until Parmalat spent wildly. They went into tailspin due to Parmalat's finacial troubles but I doubt most of their fans would trade their heady success in that era to be in better shape right now.
That's a fair point. I don't really have a good parallel as a fan, but if the US could somehow pay its way to a World Cup, only to be relegated to a highlight of looking forward to playing competitive games against Suriname, I'd be okay.
Don't think I'd trade LSU winning a national championship my first year there plus losing on 1/9 for winning both and LSU playing in the FCS, though.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:14 am to BleedPurpleGold
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But they wouldn't if entailed the level of mismanagement seen at City.
Yeah I'm sure the middlesbrough supporters would hate to see their club mismanaged all the way to 2 Premier League titles.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:15 am to wm72
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It has an emotional effect but the weak point of "protecting the fans" argument is that the overwhelming majority would take buying Batistuta and winning a Scudetto even if the agreement was being relegated to lowest division the next season.
I don't have the same experience from the people I've met in England and the family I have there.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:15 am to BleedPurpleGold
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Talk to someone from outside of this country before you resort to your ridiculous sarcasm.
that wasn't sarcasm. i would be emotionally effected
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Sports culture is not the same the world over. Its not all about commercials, goofy arse hoakie mascots, and tee shirt cannons. Win at all costs is not the bottom line and history and tradition are the most important thing I club can possess in England.
where are you from, mate? i know people from liverpool, but none that went to LSU
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:17 am to joey barton
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Don't think I'd trade LSU winning a national championship my first year there plus losing on 1/9 for winning both and LSU playing in the FCS, though.
I would. LSU would be in FCS for one season, be undefeated FCS national champs, then come right back up. Easily worth an FBS NC and another title game appearance.
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:18 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:18 am to BleedPurpleGold
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Of course they would.
then what are all these platitudes you're throwing down? you even concede that shite goes out the window for a non-major team
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But they wouldn't if entailed the level of mismanagement seen at City.
what are you talking about? they've won an EPL title, do well in europe, and are top 4 this year
they're also in no threat of relegation, let alone admin. yeah city is just in terrible shape in the big picture
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Yeah I'm sure the middlesbrough supporters would hate to see their club mismanaged all the way to 2 Premier League titles.
They would if they saw their owners penalized and still refused to abide by the rules. We went to a European Cup final under our ownership, frequently qualified for champions league, won FA cups, and there were still cries to have them ousted. And that was before FFP even existed.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:20 am to BleedPurpleGold
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. We went to a European Cup final under our ownership, frequently qualified for champions league, won FA cups, and there were still cries to have them ousted. And that was before FFP even existed.
well y'all (since you used "we") sound like a bunch of, watch me be non-American here, counts
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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what are you talking about? they've won an EPL title, do well in europe, and are top 4 this year
they're also in no threat of relegation, let alone admin. yeah city is just in terrible shape in the big picture
It boils down to this: City doesn't run their club the way these people think they should. They all read Soccernomics and watched MoneyBall and now they think they "know how to properly run a team" and look down on philosophies that don't jive with that way of looking at sports.
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:23 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:22 am to Draconian Sanctions
the problem is that there isn't another system
Southampton is showing that building amazing young talent doesn't even get you into Europe before they have to be sold off
so these clubs can't get lucky with a rich owner and they can't invest-and-wait. they're fricked
Southampton is showing that building amazing young talent doesn't even get you into Europe before they have to be sold off
so these clubs can't get lucky with a rich owner and they can't invest-and-wait. they're fricked
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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where are you from, mate? i know people from liverpool, but none that went to LSU
I have family from The Wirrall and London. As well as Dublin, but that perspective doesn't completely come into account in a discussion about English perspective even though they have the largest day tripper population in the isles.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:24 am to wm72
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It has an emotional effect but the weak point of "protecting the fans" argument is that the overwhelming majority would take buying Batistuta and winning a Scudetto even if the agreement was being relegated to lowest division the next season.
Roma fans would keep going, singing and shooting off flares if the club played the TD soccer board all-stars every Sunday, bragging about that Scudetto as well.
True. When PSG won the League Cup in 2008, they were almost relegated that season. At that point, silverware > league status. The fans weren't going anywhere.
And Batigol was a personal favorite of mine
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