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re: Kompany says it
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:38 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:38 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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They are custodians of an entity that transcends a simple corporation.
not really
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These are ethic and cultural institutions that have existed for over a century. Not some shite NFL franchise which only exists because there's a sports market in a particular area.
you're trying too hard, here
these are corporate entities in a multi-billion dollar industry, and nothing more. those industries have a regulatory structure in place regarding dissolving the individual member corporations
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Even if you're able to develop a crop of world class players, you will be forbidden from paying them world class wages and they will leave.
southhampton
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
FFP has legitimate criticisms, and hopefully they are amended so that clubs can grow, but FFP or something like it was coming ever since the G-14.
What I think is that FFP is the placeholder before another system is put in place, because the restrictions it places on investments is unfair, especially considering the wide variety of TV deals. At the same time, you can still build a team that can compete with the bigger clubs, like Atletico has, but that requires patience and vision, things most clubs don't really have.
What I think is that FFP is the placeholder before another system is put in place, because the restrictions it places on investments is unfair, especially considering the wide variety of TV deals. At the same time, you can still build a team that can compete with the bigger clubs, like Atletico has, but that requires patience and vision, things most clubs don't really have.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Maybe I just want to support the team that I grew up with without the real risk of watching it go to shite. I don't think that being the best is a cure-all. I've watched a lot of Real Madrid while Ronaldo has been there, and there are plenty of miserable people in the Bernabeu
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why? What's the worst thing that could happen? The team gets relegated? Rangers still play. Portsmouth still play. Parma will still exist next season. It's not like Lehman brothers.
I'm really in favor of the part of FFP that means clubs have to put an emphasis on infrastructure but I agree a bit that it's not really the fans that suffer. It's destabilizing for the league and their TV contracts etc. . .
Romahad some lean years recently due to Sensi going bankrupt but he's a hero to the fans for buying us Batistuta and winning a scudetto. Parma were never really a huge club until Parmalat spent wildly. They went into tailspin due to Parmalat's finacial troubles but I doubt most of their fans would trade their heady success in that era to be in better shape right now.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why? What's the worst thing that could happen? The team gets relegated? Rangers still play. Portsmouth still play. Parma will still exist next season. It's not like Lehman brothers.
I really try to shy away from personal insults, but go frick yourself. You're being intentionally insensitive and inflammatory. And that comment is particularly insulting considering there is a decent native Rangers following on this board. They almost lost an institution that meant a great deal to not only them, but their grandfathers and great grandfathers (and I have no love loss for Rangers as I tend to pull for their rivals).
You are either trolling or are one of the most ethnocentric people I've ever had the displeasure of engaging in discourse with.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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these are corporate entities in a multi-billion dollar industry, and nothing more. those industries have a regulatory structure in place regarding dissolving the individual member corporations
You're speaking of sport from a purely American perspective. They are much, much more than a money grubbing corporation.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Southampton could easily sell one player a season and increase their wage bill accordingly, not to mention that the new PL TV deal will help push their wages higher.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, you nailed it, if I understand you correctly.
FFP theoretically sounded great, but just punished the nouveau riche, as evidenced by City and PSG.
As far as the link, I think Kompany makes sense.
FFP theoretically sounded great, but just punished the nouveau riche, as evidenced by City and PSG.
As far as the link, I think Kompany makes sense.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:44 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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They almost lost an institution that meant a great deal to not only them
No, they didn't. Which is the entire point. Clubs don't fold. They go into administration and somebody buys them. Rangers was never going to just disappear. Which is why the whole "protecting the club" argument is nonsense.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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Southampton could easily sell one player a season and increase their wage bill accordingly, not to mention that the new PL TV deal will help push their wages higher.
Under the current rules they will never ever be a title contender.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, they didn't. Which is the entire point. Clubs don't fold. They go into administration and somebody buys them. Rangers was never going to just disappear. Which is why the whole "protecting the club" argument is nonsense.
So you're telling me it would have absolutely no emotional effect on you if Newcastle was relegated to Conference North? For many people in England that would be almost the exact same thing.
I will not condone irresponsible managing of a club that some foreigner mismanages to the detriment of those fans whose families have invested generations of money and support into.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Ok so do we have a list of what the vote to pass FFP was?
All I can find from a quick search is that 93 clubs from 53 countries agreed to the rules at the ECA meeting held in Manchester in 2010.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well they wouldn't be a title contender under the old rules either. They are some distance away from being more than a top ten club.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:50 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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So you're telling me it would have absolutely no emotional effect on you if Newcastle was relegated to Conference North? For many people in England that would be almost the exact same thing.
It would be pretty shitty but
#1 the sheer number of people that turn up to SJP, even if they were relegated to Conference North, would pull them back up very quickly. it might take a few years to get from the Championship back into the Prem, but it would happen.
#2 The owner in that scenario would have bought Newcastle from Mike Ashley for around 400 million pounds, all of which would evaporate before their eyes if the club went into administration but as such, I think that's a pretty severe penalty for the owner.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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Well they wouldn't be a title contender under the old rules either.
at least then there was the chance in hell that a Roman Abramovich might show up and change that. Now that's been taken away too.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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At the same time, you can still build a team that can compete with the bigger clubs, like Atletico has,
athletic is a big club, though...just not super duper big
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:58 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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So you're telling me it would have absolutely no emotional effect on you if Newcastle was relegated to Conference North? For many people in England that would be almost the exact same thing.
i would have an emotional effect if krogers went bankrupt and the store by my house closed and i had to drive 4 more minutes to get to a grocery store. your point really has no merit
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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Well they wouldn't be a title contender under the old rules either.
if bill gates bought them, they could
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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at least then there was the chance in hell that a Roman Abramovich might show up and change that. Now that's been taken away too.
Exactly. When PSG bought Pastore from Palermo, that was a big deal at the time and opened the door for more big signings.
If all things were the same now, would that still happen?
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